diff --git a/book/2002-10.txt b/book/2002-10.txt
index d9cb69d..5027198 100644
--- a/book/2002-10.txt
+++ b/book/2002-10.txt
@@ -224,6 +224,7 @@ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:06:08 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: Arthur Norman <acn1@cam.ac.uk>, axiom-developer@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org
 Cc: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] [axiom] Makefile conventions
 
 Arthur,
 
@@ -343,8 +344,7 @@ Tim
 \start
 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:00:41 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
-To: Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-   axiom-developer@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org
+To: Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, axiom-developer@mail.freesoftware.fsf.org
 Cc: daly@idsi.net
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] [axiom] Axiom and noweb
 
diff --git a/book/2002-11.txt b/book/2002-11.txt
index ca369e7..737a2f6 100644
--- a/book/2002-11.txt
+++ b/book/2002-11.txt
@@ -2,9 +2,9 @@
 \start
 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:48:42 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
-To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, Robert Morelli <morelli@cs.utah.edu>,
-   Philippe Toffin <toffin@math.unicaen.fr>, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, Robert Morelli <morelli@cs.utah.edu>,  Philippe Toffin <toffin@math.unicaen.fr>, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
 CC: daly@idsi.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] [Axiom-mail]
 
 Gentlemen, 
 
@@ -81,8 +81,7 @@ it is advisable?
 \start
 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:57:49 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
-To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, Robert Morelli <morelli@cs.utah.edu>,
-   Philippe Toffin <toffin@math.unicaen.fr>, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, Robert Morelli <morelli@cs.utah.edu>, Philippe Toffin <toffin@math.unicaen.fr>, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
 CC: daly@idsi.net, axiom-mail@nongnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Axiom-mail] Status
 
@@ -2167,8 +2166,7 @@ check code in.
 \start
 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:01:07 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
-To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, miked@nag.co.uk, rubey@labri.fr,
-   toffin@math.unicaen.fr, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, tim@tenkan.org
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, miked@nag.co.uk, rubey@labri.fr, toffin@math.unicaen.fr, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, tim@tenkan.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] accounts on tenkan
 
 Please send a note to tim@tenkan.org (no, it is not me)
@@ -3788,17 +3786,7 @@ with Jorix van der Hoeven of last June.
 Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 11:51:06 +0200 (MET DST)
 From: Joris van der Hoeven <Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr>
 To: root <daly@idsi.net>
-Cc: texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-    "Nicolas M. Thiery" <nthiery@users.sourceforge.net>,
-    Dylan Thurston <dpt@math.harvard.edu>,
-    Philippe Toffin <toffin@math.unicaen.fr>,
-    Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-    Carlo Traverso <traverso@dm.unipi.it>,
-    Theodore Thomas Tsikas <themos@nag.co.uk>,
-    "Gioia M. Vago" <vago@u-bourgogne.fr>,
-    Joris van der Hoeven <Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr>,
-    Leonid Vaserstein <vstein@math.psu.edu>,
-    Nikolay Vassiliev <vasiliev@pdmi.ras.ru>
+Cc: texmacs-dev@gnu.org, "Nicolas M. Thiery" <nthiery@users.sourceforge.net>, Dylan Thurston <dpt@math.harvard.edu>, Philippe Toffin <toffin@math.unicaen.fr>, Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>, Carlo Traverso <traverso@dm.unipi.it>, Theodore Thomas Tsikas <themos@nag.co.uk>, "Gioia M. Vago" <vago@u-bourgogne.fr>, Joris van der Hoeven <Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr>, Leonid Vaserstein <vstein@math.psu.edu>, Nikolay Vassiliev <vasiliev@pdmi.ras.ru>
 Subject: Re: [axiom] Axiom website updated
 
 
@@ -3985,8 +3973,7 @@ FIRST BUILD, src and int are assumed read-only.
 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:13:32 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
-CC: daly@idsi.net, Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, texmacs-dev@gnu.org
+CC: daly@idsi.net, Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, texmacs-dev@gnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] visual literate programming
 
 Bill and Joris,
@@ -4096,8 +4083,7 @@ What this problem needs is ten lines of awk.  Here's your noweb filter:
 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:31:07 +0100 (MET)
 From: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
 To: texmacs-dev@gnu.org
-Cc: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, daly@idsi.net, Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Cc: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, daly@idsi.net, Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
 Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] [Axiom-developer] visual literate programming
 
 Hi Tim,
@@ -4150,8 +4136,7 @@ Indeed.
 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:36:39 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr
-CC: texmacs-dev@gnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, daly@idsi.net,
-   Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+CC: texmacs-dev@gnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, daly@idsi.net, Joris.VanDerHoeven@math.u-psud.fr, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] (no subject)
 
 In-reply-to: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1021120122749.7033A-100000@anh> (message from
@@ -4471,8 +4456,7 @@ Background.
 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:17:10 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
-CC: rubey@labri.fr, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-   miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com
+CC: rubey@labri.fr, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,  miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com
 Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on Cygwin for Axiom
 
 re: trivial port of gcl....
@@ -4486,7 +4470,7 @@ this whole issue on AIX for the RS/6000.
 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:09:23 -0500
 From: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
 To: <gcl-devel@gnu.org>
-CC: <daly@idsi.net>,
+CC: <daly@idsi.net>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] GCL on Cygwin for Axiom
 
 Hello,
@@ -4512,8 +4496,7 @@ that's another issue).
 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:45:25 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
-CC: daly@idsi.net, wfs@mail.ma.utexas.edu, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-   Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+CC: daly@idsi.net, wfs@mail.ma.utexas.edu, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
 Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on Cygwin for Axiom
 
 > Damn. I am sorry to hear that Schelter is not still
@@ -5010,8 +4993,7 @@ Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca> writes:
 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:46:30 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: camm@enhanced.com
-CC: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-   miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com, gcl-devel@gnu.org
+CC: bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com, gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on Cygwin for Axiom
 
 Ok, I'll try 2.5 and see if that builds.
@@ -5020,8 +5002,7 @@ Ok, I'll try 2.5 and see if that builds.
 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:37:49 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca
-CC: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com,
-   gcl-devel@gnu.org
+CC: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com, gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] _BOOL problem in GCL 2.4.3 for GCC 2.96
 
 Camm,
@@ -5077,8 +5058,7 @@ Tim
 Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:41:25 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: camm@enhanced.com, bill.page1@sympatico.ca
-CC: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com,
-   gcl-devel@gnu.org
+CC: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com, gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] _BOOL problem in GCL 2.4.3 for GCC 2.96 (typo fix)
 
 Camm, I fat-fingered the last mail. The actual .defs file is in the
@@ -5246,10 +5226,8 @@ at a not yet specified date...
 \start
 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:11:08 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-To: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>,
-	<texmacs-dev@gnu.org>
-Cc: <daly@idsi.net>,
-	<axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+To: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>
+Cc: <daly@idsi.net>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] Axiom and TeXmacs
 
 
@@ -5340,9 +5318,7 @@ we want. What would you recommend?
 Date: 21 Nov 2002 16:31:09 -0500
 From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
 To: daly@idsi.net
-Cc: bill.page1@sympatico.ca,  axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-	  miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com,  gcl-devel@gnu.org
-In-Reply-To: root's message of "Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:37:49 -0500"
+Cc: bill.page1@sympatico.ca,  axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com,  gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] _BOOL problem in GCL 2.4.3 for GCC 2.96
 
 Greetings!
@@ -5420,8 +5396,7 @@ Take care,
 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:21:59 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
 To: <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
-Cc: <gcl-devel@gnu.org>,
-	<mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
+Cc: <gcl-devel@gnu.org>, <mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on Cygwin for Axiom
 
 On Wednesday, November 20, 2002 6:26 PM Mike Thomas
@@ -5529,8 +5504,7 @@ hooked on the Cygwin dll.
 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:59:24 +0000
 From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org,
-        mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net, Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org, mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net, Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL on Cygwin for Axiom
 
 On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 09:21:59PM -0500, Bill Page wrote:
@@ -5553,8 +5527,7 @@ of the non-standard Axiom enhancements.
 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:36:08 -0500
 From: Earnie Boyd <earnie_boyd@yahoo.com>
 To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-CC: axiom-developer@nongnu.org,  gcl-devel@gnu.org, 
- mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net
+CC: axiom-developer@nongnu.org,  gcl-devel@gnu.org, mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Mingw-users] Re: GCL on Cygwin for Axiom
 
 
@@ -5581,8 +5554,7 @@ not currently being worked but ...
 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 08:05:40 -0500
 From: Earnie Boyd <earnie_boyd@yahoo.com>
 To: MinGW Users <mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
-CC: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,  axiom-developer@nongnu.org, 
- gcl-devel@gnu.org
+CC: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,  axiom-developer@nongnu.org,  gcl-devel@gnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Mingw-users] Re: GCL on Cygwin for Axiom
 
 Earnie Boyd wrote:
@@ -5614,9 +5586,7 @@ X server.
 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:51:17 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
-CC: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org,
-   mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net, miked@nag.co.uk, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   tim@tenkan.org
+CC: miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org, mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net, miked@nag.co.uk, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, tim@tenkan.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] many topics
 
 Bill,
@@ -5672,9 +5642,7 @@ test it once and let me know if you can write to it.
 Date: 22 Nov 2002 12:02:24 -0500
 From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
 To: daly@idsi.net
-Cc: bill.page1@sympatico.ca,  miked@nag.co.uk,  axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-	  gcl-devel@gnu.org,  mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net,
-	  texmacs-dev@gnu.org,  tim@tenkan.org
+Cc: bill.page1@sympatico.ca,  miked@nag.co.uk,  axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org,  mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,  tim@tenkan.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] many topics
 
 Greetings!
@@ -5742,9 +5710,7 @@ Take care,
 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:23:37 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: camm@enhanced.com
-CC: daly@idsi.net, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, miked@nag.co.uk,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org,
-   mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, tim@tenkan.org
+CC: daly@idsi.net, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, miked@nag.co.uk, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gcl-devel@gnu.org, mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, tim@tenkan.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] many topics
 
 re: ifdef-ing out make-package check.
@@ -5756,8 +5722,7 @@ way around.
 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:19:09 +0100 (MET)
 From: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
 To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] Axiom and TeXmacs
 
 > > Maybe we should preprocess the pamphlet file using Perl
@@ -5845,9 +5810,7 @@ the pamphlet format?
 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:55:50 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
 To: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
-Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>,
-	<daly@idsi.net>,
-	<axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, <daly@idsi.net>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] Axiom and TeXmacs
 
 On Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:19 AM Joris van der Hoeven
@@ -5966,11 +5929,7 @@ you have in mind some other format?
 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:17:52 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
-Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, <daly@idsi.net>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
-   "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-   axiom-mail@nongnu.org, Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-   Manuel Bronstein <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-   William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
+Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, <daly@idsi.net>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>, "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>, Manuel Bronstein <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 All,
@@ -6422,15 +6381,8 @@ you have in mind some other format?
 \start
 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 14:05:01 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-To: <daly@idsi.net>,
-	"'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
-Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>,
-	<axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
-	"'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-	<axiom-mail@nongnu.org>,
-	"'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-	"'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-	"'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
+To: <daly@idsi.net>, "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
+Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, <axiom-mail@nongnu.org>, "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 Tim,
@@ -6484,12 +6436,7 @@ both jobs.
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 01:51:45 -0500
 From: William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 To: daly@idsi.net
-CC: 'Joris van der Hoeven' <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>,
- 	texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
- 	Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,
- 	Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, axiom-mail@nongnu.org,
- 	Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
- 	Manuel Bronstein <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>
+CC: 'Joris van der Hoeven' <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>, Manuel Bronstein <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 Just a simple comment on:
@@ -6529,9 +6476,7 @@ update all existing pamphlets.
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:56:26 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
-CC: daly@idsi.net, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, nr@eecs.harvard.edu,
-   axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr
+CC: daly@idsi.net, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,  axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, nr@eecs.harvard.edu, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 Bill,
@@ -6583,9 +6528,7 @@ lists, is considered unpolite, I would appologize for that.
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:39:18 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
-CC: daly@idsi.net, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, nr@eecs.harvard.edu,
-   axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr
+CC: daly@idsi.net, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, nr@eecs.harvard.edu, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 Bill,
@@ -6610,8 +6553,7 @@ use <<PRL:>> style references.
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:07:01 +0100 (MET)
 From: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
 To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Texmacs-dev] Axiom and TeXmacs
 
 
@@ -6650,12 +6592,7 @@ the web, and so on.
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:17:25 +0100 (MET)
 From: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
 To: root <daly@idsi.net>
-Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,
-   Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, axiom-mail@nongnu.org,
-   Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-   Manuel Bronstein <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-   William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
+Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>, Manuel Bronstein <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 Thanks for the detailed tutorial, Tim.
@@ -6969,10 +6906,7 @@ not very clean yet.
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:45:29 -0500
 From: William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 To: daly@idsi.net
-CC: TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
- 	axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca,
- 	nr@eecs.harvard.edu, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com,
- 	Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr
+CC: TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, nr@eecs.harvard.edu, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 > The URLs are all assumed to be internal, hence the pamphlet:
@@ -7006,14 +6940,7 @@ Excellent idea.
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 14:00:24 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
 To: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
-Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>,
-	<axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
-	"'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-	"'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-	"'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-	"'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>,
-	<xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com>,
-	<abcoates@TheOffice.net>
+Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, <xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com>, <abcoates@TheOffice.net>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 Everyone,
@@ -7312,12 +7239,7 @@ your ideas are to Anthony's on this!
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:22:24 +0100 (MET)
 From: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
 To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-   "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-   "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-   "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com,
-   abcoates@TheOffice.net
+Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,  axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,  "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, abcoates@TheOffice.net
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 > I think that Anthony Coates (see links above) has
@@ -7336,14 +7258,7 @@ another story). This is what we should discuss in my opinion.
 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 15:00:24 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
 To: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
-Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>,
-	<axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
-	"'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-	"'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-	"'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-	"'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>,
-	<xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com>,
-	<abcoates@TheOffice.net>
+Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, <xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com>,	<abcoates@TheOffice.net>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 On Sunday, November 24, 2002 2:22 PM Joris
@@ -7451,13 +7366,8 @@ http://www.mddl.org/
 \start
 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:58:17 +0100
 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johannes_H=FCsing?= <tmi0m0@spi.power.uni-essen.de>
-To: xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,
-	'Joris van der Hoeven' <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
-Cc: texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-	'Norman Ramsey' <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-	'Barry Trager' <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-	'Manuel Bronstein' <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-	'William Sit' <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
+To: xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,	'Joris van der Hoeven' <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
+Cc: texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, 'Norman Ramsey' <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, 'Barry Trager' <bmt@us.ibm.com>, 'Manuel Bronstein' <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, 'William Sit' <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [xml-litprog-l] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 On Sun 2002-11-24 (21:27), Anthony B. Coates wrote:
@@ -7487,13 +7397,7 @@ Greetings
 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:16:07 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
 To: <xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com>
-Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>,
-	<axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
-	"'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-	"'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-	"'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-	"'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>,
-	<cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU>
+Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, <cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 Hello all,
@@ -7630,12 +7534,7 @@ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/axiom
 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:56:59 +0000
 From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-Cc: xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-        axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-        "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-        "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-        "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU,
-        Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+Cc: xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU, Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and Te
 
 On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:16:07PM -0500, Bill Page wrote:
@@ -7690,12 +7589,7 @@ URIs.
 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:01:40 +0100 (MET)
 From: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
 To: texmacs-dev@gnu.org
-Cc: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-   "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-   "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-   "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU,
-   Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+Cc: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU, Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 > LaTeX is fine as a rendering language but it does not have a regular
@@ -8160,8 +8054,7 @@ Your comments would be most appreciated.
 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:55:16 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
 To: <maple8@yahoogroups.com>
-Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>,
-	<axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Cc: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [maple8] Maple XML and MATH/ML
 
 On Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:30 AM I wrote:
@@ -8299,13 +8192,7 @@ to 10... But anyway, you're right, I will buy some vellum, just in case
 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:57:53 +0000
 From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 To: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
-Cc: texmacs-dev@gnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,
-        xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-        "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-        "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-        "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-        "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU,
-        Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+Cc: texmacs-dev@gnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU, Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 12:01:40PM +0100, Joris van der Hoeven wrote:
@@ -8345,12 +8232,7 @@ In what sense?
 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:27:54 +0100 (MET)
 From: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
 To: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
-Cc: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-   "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-   "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-   "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU
+Cc: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, "'Norman Ramsey'" <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, "'Barry Trager'" <bmt@us.ibm.com>, "'Manuel Bronstein'" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, "'William Sit'" <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU
 Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 > Quite how useful graphical manipulation of mathematics is is
@@ -8392,13 +8274,7 @@ as possible.
 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:15:48 +0100 (CET)
 From: Martin RUBEY <rubey@labri.fr>
 To: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
-Cc: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>,
-	<texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,
-	<xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
-	'Norman Ramsey' <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
-	'Barry Trager' <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-	'Manuel Bronstein' <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-	'William Sit' <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, <cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU>
+Cc: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, <xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>, 'Norman Ramsey' <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, 'Barry Trager' <bmt@us.ibm.com>, 'Manuel Bronstein' <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, 'William Sit' <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, <cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU>
 Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] Re:
  noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
@@ -8427,8 +8303,7 @@ things over the next few days.
 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:18:17 -0500
 From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
 To: <daly@idsi.net>
-Cc: <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>,
-	<cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU>
+Cc: <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>, <cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] MetaPRL
 
 Tim,
@@ -8450,7 +8325,6 @@ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:24:05 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
 CC: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU
-In-reply-to: <000001c295b2$de992150$6501a8c0@Asus> (bill.page1@sympatico.ca)
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: MetaPRL
 
 Bill,
@@ -8472,16 +8346,8 @@ tenkan appears to be down at the moment. i'll try tomorrow. --t
 Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 23:26:07 -0500
 From: William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 To: Martin RUBEY <rubey@labri.fr>
-CC: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>,
- 	Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>,
- 	texmacs-dev@gnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>,
- 	xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
- 	'Norman Ramsey' <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>,
- 	'Barry Trager' <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
- 	'Manuel Bronstein' <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
- 	cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU
-Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] Re:noweb, 
- pamphlets, and TeXmacs
+CC: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>, Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, xml-litprog-l@yahoogroups.com, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, 'Norman Ramsey' <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>, 'Barry Trager' <bmt@us.ibm.com>, 'Manuel Bronstein' <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, cyganski@ece.WPI.EDU
+Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] Re:noweb,  pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 
 Martin RUBEY wrote:
@@ -8518,8 +8384,7 @@ generation could be influenced by Axiom?
 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:04:19 +0000
 From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 To: Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
-Cc: maple8@yahoogroups.com, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-        Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+Cc: maple8@yahoogroups.com, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
 Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [maple8] Maple XML and MATH/ML
 
 Hi Bill,
@@ -8895,8 +8760,7 @@ Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 16:39:02 -0500
 From: William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 To: daly@idsi.net
 CC: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l] 
- Re:noweb,pamphlets, and TeXmacs
+Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: [xml-litprog-l]  Re:noweb,pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr wrote:
 > 
diff --git a/book/2002-12.txt b/book/2002-12.txt
index c2f7c94..a851a6b 100644
--- a/book/2002-12.txt
+++ b/book/2002-12.txt
@@ -13,12 +13,7 @@ None of it visible, of course, but progress nonetheless.
 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 16:54:32 -0500
 From: Norman Ramsey <nr@eecs.harvard.edu>
 To: daly@idsi.net
-Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>,
-	texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
-	"Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, axiom-mail@nongnu.org,
-	Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>,
-	Manuel Bronstein <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>,
-	William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
+Cc: "'Joris van der Hoeven'" <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,	"Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, Barry Trager <bmt@us.ibm.com>, Manuel Bronstein <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>, William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
  > I've written some tutorial notes on the pamphlet idea to try to get
@@ -59,9 +54,7 @@ such documents.
 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:27:41 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: nr@eecs.harvard.edu
-CC: daly@idsi.net, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org,
-   axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-mail@nongnu.org,
-   bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr, wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
+CC: daly@idsi.net, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr, wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: noweb, pamphlets, and TeXmacs
 
 >  > I've written some tutorial notes on the pamphlet idea to try to get
@@ -234,10 +227,7 @@ you receive it in duplicate. Oh well...
 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 03:30:29 -0500
 From: William Sit <wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu>
 To: root <daly@idsi.net>
-CC: nr@eecs.harvard.edu, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr,
- 	texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org,
- 	bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com,
- 	"Bronstein, Manuel" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>
+CC: nr@eecs.harvard.edu, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, "Bronstein, Manuel" <Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr>
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Tex(t) chunk inclusion and citation
 
 Tim wrote:
@@ -409,9 +399,7 @@ We can severely restrict how a citable chunk or reference can be written
 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:11:43 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: wyscc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
-CC: daly@idsi.net, nr@eecs.harvard.edu, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr,
-   texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca,
-   axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr
+CC: daly@idsi.net, nr@eecs.harvard.edu, TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-mail@nongnu.org, bmt@us.ibm.com, Manuel.Bronstein@sophia.inria.fr
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Tex(t) chunk inclusion and citation
 
 > Tim wrote:
@@ -9203,8 +9191,8 @@ root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
 Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:05:12 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: camm@enhanced.com
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] open source axiom lives
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] open source axiom lives
 
 re: current gcl 
 
diff --git a/book/2003-01.txt b/book/2003-01.txt
index 20f4cac..f958ff9 100644
--- a/book/2003-01.txt
+++ b/book/2003-01.txt
@@ -45,8 +45,8 @@ to actually use axiom to do algebra.
 Date: 03 Jan 2003 18:21:59 -0500
 From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
 To: daly@idsi.net
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] open source axiom lives
 cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] open source axiom lives
 
 Greetings!
 
diff --git a/book/2003-02.txt b/book/2003-02.txt
index 77297f2..7988c74 100644
--- a/book/2003-02.txt
+++ b/book/2003-02.txt
@@ -945,8 +945,8 @@ FAQ item number 4).
 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:33:25 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: miked@nag.co.uk
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: CCL development
 cc: daly@idsi.net, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miked@nag.co.uk
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: CCL development
  
 > Somehow we need to ensure that all the useful but undocumented
 > information about Axiom and CCL stored in Themos and my brains is made
@@ -970,8 +970,8 @@ pamphlet files.
 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:39:16 -0500
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: miked@nag.co.uk
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: CCL development
 cc: daly@idsi.net, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miked@nag.co.uk
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: CCL development
  
 > Somehow we need to ensure that all the useful but undocumented
 > information about Axiom and CCL stored in Themos and my brains is made
diff --git a/book/2003-04.txt b/book/2003-04.txt
index 0fb184d..13202ed 100644
--- a/book/2003-04.txt
+++ b/book/2003-04.txt
@@ -91,9 +91,7 @@ donp
 \start
 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:01:58 +0200
 From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr
-To: astex@univ-orleans.fr, calcul-formel-libre@math.jussieu.fr, oscas@acm.org,
-        maxima@www.ma.utexas.edu, gcl-devel@gnu.org,
-        axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+To: astex@univ-orleans.fr, calcul-formel-libre@math.jussieu.fr, oscas@acm.org, maxima@www.ma.utexas.edu, gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] CD-ROM Rosetta for Windows available for download
 
 Hello,
@@ -143,11 +141,8 @@ Tim
 \start
 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:04:31 +0200
 From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr
-To: astex@univ-orleans.fr, calcul-formel-libre@math.jussieu.fr, oscas@acm.org,
-        maxima@www.ma.utexas.edu, gcl-devel@gnu.org,
-        axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gut@ens.fr
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] 
- Doc in English available for CD Rosetta for Windows (free CAS)
+To: astex@univ-orleans.fr, calcul-formel-libre@math.jussieu.fr, oscas@acm.org, maxima@www.ma.utexas.edu, gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gut@ens.fr
+Subject: [Axiom-developer]  Doc in English available for CD Rosetta for Windows (free CAS)
 
 Hello,
 
@@ -785,8 +780,8 @@ Peace,
 \start
 Date: 26 Apr 2003 17:29:47 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
-cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca
 To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL version
 
 Hello tim,
diff --git a/book/2003-05.txt b/book/2003-05.txt
index d55b82a..c21db99 100644
--- a/book/2003-05.txt
+++ b/book/2003-05.txt
@@ -77,8 +77,7 @@ Date: 01 May 2003 21:26:26 -0400
 From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
 To: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 Greetings!  In putting together the 2.5.2 release, a first attempt was
 made to clear out code which was not accessible from any known point in
@@ -1021,8 +1020,7 @@ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:11:15 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: camm@enhanced.com
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 Camm,
 
@@ -1033,9 +1031,7 @@ extension to GCL. I don't know how this is related to object_to_float.
 Date: 02 May 2003 07:31:41 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] 
- Re: [Gcl-devel]  Issue on in-package from gcl-2.4.4 to gcl-2.5.2,
- correct fix? where to dig?
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel]  Issue on in-package from gcl-2.4.4 to gcl-2.5.2, correct fix? where to dig?
 
 Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com> writes:
 
@@ -1051,8 +1047,7 @@ http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gcl-devel/2003-04/msg00029.html
 Date: 02 May 2003 10:48:48 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr> writes:
 
@@ -1143,8 +1138,7 @@ Date: 02 May 2003 11:13:41 -0400
 From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
 To: daly@idsi.net
 cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 Greetings!  OK, I see the issue now, and it is a GCL bug.  The
 compiler can write a call to this and the other compiled out function,
@@ -1171,8 +1165,7 @@ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 17:27:53 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: camm@enhanced.com
 cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 Axiom uses multiply-bignum-stack during the build process.
 I believe that Schelter put that in for Axiom but don't remember exactly.
@@ -1181,8 +1174,7 @@ I believe that Schelter put that in for Axiom but don't remember exactly.
 Date: 03 May 2003 16:16:51 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] A tip for Axiom: use ledit to have editable command
-	line
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] A tip for Axiom: use ledit to have editable command line
 
 Hello,
 
@@ -1205,9 +1197,7 @@ I hope it helps,
 Date: 03 May 2003 16:36:01 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] 
- Re: First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc
- architecture
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr> writes:
 
@@ -1251,8 +1241,7 @@ and put it as gcl-2.5.2.tgz in new/new/zips/ directory.
 Date: 03 May 2003 16:07:32 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] 
- First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 Hello,
 
@@ -2246,8 +2235,7 @@ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:29:26 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] A tip for Axiom: use ledit to have editable
-	command	line
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] A tip for Axiom: use ledit to have editable command line
 
 re: ledit and command line
 
@@ -2260,9 +2248,7 @@ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:31:54 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] 
- Re: First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc
- architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 re: GCL 2.5.2
 
@@ -2274,8 +2260,7 @@ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:41:38 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] 
- First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 re: Axiom blockage and Latex process
 
@@ -2308,8 +2293,7 @@ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:01:16 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] 
- First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 While we're on the subject of possible changes there are a few decisions
 that I'm unhappy about and could use some ideas/suggestions....
@@ -2383,8 +2367,7 @@ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:27:32 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] 
- First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 I noticed your patch includes changes to the Makefile and Makefile.linux
 files. You shouldn't need to do this as these are automatically generated
@@ -2411,8 +2394,7 @@ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:35:30 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] 
- First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 re: OLD_IN_PACKAGE variable
 
@@ -2462,8 +2444,7 @@ to compile and we will have a running system.
 Date: 03 May 2003 19:43:03 -0400
 From: "James H. Cloos Jr." <cloos@jhcloos.com>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to
-	gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 >>>>> "Tim" == root  <daly@idsi.net> writes:
 
@@ -2488,8 +2469,7 @@ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 19:57:00 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: cloos@jhcloos.com
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to
-	gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 Jim,
 
@@ -2506,8 +2486,7 @@ Date: 04 May 2003 10:21:49 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: daly@idsi.net
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: About Makfile and Makefile.pamphlet (was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
+Subject: About Makfile and Makefile.pamphlet (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
 
 Hello tim,
 
@@ -2554,8 +2533,7 @@ Date: 04 May 2003 10:30:06 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: daly@idsi.net
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to
-	gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 Hello tim,
 
@@ -2579,8 +2557,7 @@ Date: 04 May 2003 10:43:07 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: daly@idsi.net
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: About shell commands in Makefile (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First
-	(quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
+Subject: About shell commands in Makefile (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
 
 Hello tim,
 
@@ -2624,8 +2601,7 @@ Date: 04 May 2003 10:56:14 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: daly@idsi.net
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty)
-	port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
+Subject: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
 
 Hello tim, ;)
 
@@ -2706,8 +2682,7 @@ Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 09:55:31 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
-Subject: Re: About Makfile and Makefile.pamphlet (was: Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	architecture)
+Subject: Re: About Makfile and Makefile.pamphlet (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] architecture)
 
 > > In general it is dangerous to edit the Makefile or the Makefile.linux
 > > files as, if they have later timestamps than the Makefile.pamphlet file
@@ -2815,9 +2790,7 @@ Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 10:20:59 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
-Subject: Re: About shell commands in Makefile (was Re: [Axiom-developer]
-	First
-	(quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
+Subject: Re: About shell commands in Makefile (was Re: [Axiom-developer] First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
 
 > You should use the "VAR := $(shell command)" syntax, like in the following
 > example:
@@ -2864,8 +2837,7 @@ Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:11:48 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
-Subject: Re: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick &
-	dirty)	port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
+Subject: Re: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
 
 > Why not use noweb facility to standardize some predefined noweb chunks,
 > like:
@@ -3059,8 +3031,7 @@ Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 11:22:11 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to
-	gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture
 
 David,
 
@@ -3073,8 +3044,7 @@ Date: 04 May 2003 19:00:31 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] 
- system naming (was: Re: About shell commands in Makefile)
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] system naming (was: Re: About shell commands in Makefile)
 
 root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
 
@@ -3110,8 +3080,7 @@ Date: 05 May 2003 09:48:19 -0400
 From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
 To: daly@idsi.net
 cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 Greetings!  Yes, originally, gcl used pari for bignum support, and
 this command was added to expand GCL's internal stack for this
@@ -3175,8 +3144,7 @@ Date: 05 May 2003 19:16:53 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 Hello Camm,
 
@@ -3224,8 +3192,7 @@ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:30:29 +0200
 From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr
 To: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick &
-	dirty)	port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
+Subject: Re: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
 
 Hello David,
 
@@ -3270,8 +3237,7 @@ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:17:49 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: camm@enhanced.com
 cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 I've removed the multiply-bignum-stacks in last night's CVS update.
 
@@ -3301,9 +3267,8 @@ basis.
 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:25:36 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 re: forest of links
 
@@ -3314,12 +3279,11 @@ back to the download state (modulo potentially regenerating the Makefiles).
 If this is not true then it is a bug.
 
 \start
-To: daly@idsi.net
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
-From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 Date: 05 May 2003 22:42:39 +0200
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: daly@idsi.net
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 Hello Tim,
 
@@ -3337,8 +3301,7 @@ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:41:18 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick &
-	dirty)	port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
+Subject: Re: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
 
 Actually, dvi is a reasonable default choice, but it lacks a lot.
 We'd like to have active objects within the pamphlet files (e.g.
@@ -3374,8 +3337,7 @@ Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:51:05 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr, camm@enhanced.com
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 David, Camm,
 
@@ -3388,8 +3350,7 @@ Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:57:57 +0200
 From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr
 To: daly@idsi.net
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick &
-	dirty)	port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
+Subject: Re: About file formats (was Re: [Axiom-developer]  First (quick & dirty) port of Axiom to gcl-2.5.2 and powerpc architecture)
 
 Hello Tim,
 
@@ -3491,8 +3452,7 @@ Date: 08 May 2003 08:05:37 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, camm@enhanced.com
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first
-	attempt
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt
 
 Hi Tim,
 
@@ -3549,8 +3509,7 @@ anything related to Axiom. What is your opinion Tim?
 Date: 08 May 2003 12:06:51 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] 
- Re: Fix for SPD, OLD_IN_PACKAGE and latex issues (cvs-2003-05-07)
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Fix for SPD, OLD_IN_PACKAGE and latex issues (cvs-2003-05-07)
 
 David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr> writes:
 
@@ -3564,8 +3523,7 @@ Date: 08 May 2003 12:20:03 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, camm@enhanced.com
-Subject: Won't parse issue (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2
-	and powerpc: a first attempt)
+Subject: Won't parse issue (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom on gcl 2.5.2 and powerpc: a first attempt)
 
 David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr> writes:
 
@@ -3652,8 +3610,7 @@ anything related to Axiom. What is your opinion Tim?
 Date: 10 May 2003 14:06:55 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  Re: Fix for SPD, OLD_IN_PACKAGE and latex
-	issues (cvs-2003-05-07)
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  Re: Fix for SPD, OLD_IN_PACKAGE and latex issues (cvs-2003-05-07)
 
 David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr> writes:
 
@@ -3669,9 +3626,7 @@ impatient, ;) I've put my patch on the web:
 Date: 11 May 2003 21:26:44 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] 
- ["Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net>] [Gcl-devel]  Re: Issue on
- in-package from gcl-2.4.4 to gcl-2.5.2,   correct   fix? where todig?
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] ["Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net>] [Gcl-devel]  Re: Issue on in-package from gcl-2.4.4 to gcl-2.5.2, correct fix? where todig?
 
 Hello,
 
@@ -3698,9 +3653,7 @@ show me the right way to fix the issue for the first package
 Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 12:47:37 -0500
 From: "Paul F. Dietz" <dietz@dls.net>
 To: gcl-devel@gnu.org
-Subject: [Gcl-devel] 
- Re: Issue on in-package from gcl-2.4.4 to gcl-2.5.2,   correct  
- fix? where to dig?
+Subject: [Gcl-devel] Re: Issue on in-package from gcl-2.4.4 to gcl-2.5.2,  correct fix? where to dig?
 
 David MENTRE wrote:
 
@@ -3750,8 +3703,7 @@ Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 18:01:13 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  Re: Fix for SPD, OLD_IN_PACKAGE and latex
-	issues (cvs-2003-05-07)
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer]  Re: Fix for SPD, OLD_IN_PACKAGE and latex issues (cvs-2003-05-07)
 
 David,
 
@@ -3764,8 +3716,7 @@ I'll unqueue you shortly.
 Date: 08 May 2003 12:05:34 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
 To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
-Subject: [Axiom-developer] 
- Fix for SPD, OLD_IN_PACKAGE and latex issues (cvs-2003-05-07)
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Fix for SPD, OLD_IN_PACKAGE and latex issues (cvs-2003-05-07)
 
 Hello,
 
@@ -7562,10 +7513,9 @@ diff -Pru -x *CVS* -x *~ axiom-cvs-2003-05-07/new/new/src/interp/debugsys.lisp.p
  \author{Nicolas Bourbaki}
 
 \start
-From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr
-To: calcul-formel-libre@math.jussieu.fr, oscas@acm.org,
-        axiom-developer@nongnu.org, maxima@www.ma.utexas.edu
 Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:00:48 +0200
+From: michel.lavaud@univ-orleans.fr
+To: calcul-formel-libre@math.jussieu.fr, oscas@acm.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, maxima@www.ma.utexas.edu
 Subject: [Axiom-developer] v1.0c of Rosetta CD-ROM for Windows
 
 Hello,
@@ -7758,8 +7708,8 @@ I think the issue is related to the symbol |eJECT|.
 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:58:57 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] bug in write-to-string
 cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] bug in write-to-string
 
 Ah, right. The problem is that the 
 
@@ -7981,10 +7931,11 @@ So, the conclusions?
 Please help.
 
 \start
-To: daly@idsi.net, Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+Date: 25 May 2003 12:58:46 +0200
 From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: daly@idsi.net, Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
 cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gilbert@sci.ccny.cuny.edu, camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
 
 root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
 
@@ -8004,8 +7955,8 @@ gcl-2.5.2/ directory).
 Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:56:12 -0400
 From: root <daly@idsi.net>
 To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
-Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
 cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, gilbert@sci.ccny.cuny.edu, camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
 
 David, thanks. I'll give that a try. -- Tim
 
diff --git a/book/2003-06.txt b/book/2003-06.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..6d44965
--- /dev/null
+++ b/book/2003-06.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,3863 @@
+\start
+Date: 04 Jun 2003 17:42:05 -0400
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gilbert@sci.ccny.cuny.edu
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+Greetings!  Just wanted to check how this is going.  I've just tried
+multiplying the VSSIZE in h/gclincl.h.in by four, and I seem to be
+getting further along.  I forgot to do the *print-readably*, so am
+retrying with that now.
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> I've been chasing a very difficult bug for several months and
+> I recently achieved a breakthru. Unfortunately it isn't a happy
+> result. 
+> 
+> The nature of the bug is that several hundred of the thousand+
+> algebra compiles die because of a "value stack overflow". I've 
+> been micro-stepping the compiler (you REALLY begin to appreciate
+> what a billion instructions per second mean :-) ). Since this
+> is "known correct" code in some sense the bug must have something
+> to do with the lisp but it has to be proven.
+> 
+> Originally I tried playing with the memory allocations using 
+> init-memory-config but that had no effect. Schelter had introduced
+> init-memory-config for Axiom because we wrestled this problem before.
+> 
+> Later I tried using (setq si::*multiply-stacks* 16) at system build
+> time but that also had no effect. However the "no effect" was
+> subtle. I read the code and it appears that this setq can only be done
+> at the top level command prompt (for obvious reasons). The larger
+> stacks are NOT saved using save-system so they cannot be saved into an
+> image. Nor can they be automatically expanded in an Axiom image as you
+> never enter the top level REP loop.
+> 
+> I worked under the assumption that the larger stacks WERE saved
+> in the image and thus never saw the benefit which led me to the
+> conclusion that it was still an Axiom bug and thus continued to
+> chase it by hand.
+> 
+> Tonight I set out to rebuild Axiom's databases to try to eliminate
+> them as the source of the failure. The database build also failed
+> with a Value stack overflow. So I built a complete system by 
+> hand-loading each routine into a clean lisp. It still failed with
+> a value stack overflow. So I restarted lisp, setq'd the *multiply-stacks*
+> variable at the command prompt and reloaded Axiom one routine at a time.
+> This time the database build died with a Segmentation Violation.
+> 
+> Ah Ha! Rebuilding the databases is a stand-alone program that is
+> completely independent of the compiles. Now there are two paths that
+> fail due to Value stack overflow. Expanding the stacks (successfully
+> this time) causes a segfault.
+> 
+> The same behavior happens in GCL 2.4.1 and GCL 2.5.2
+> 
+> So, the conclusions? 
+> (1) GCL's default value stack size is too small to handle Axiom
+> (2) The (setq si::*multiply-stacks* n) method
+>     (a) can't be used to build Axiom's images
+>     (b) causes a memory failure with a setfault
+> (3) I need some way to hardcode a larger value stack size during
+>     GCL image build. It looks like setting VSSIZE is the correct
+>     method but I can't (yet) figure out where this should be
+>     changed as it is #included in some obscure way.
+> 
+> Please help.
+
+\start
+Date: 04 Jun 2003 17:38:33 -0400
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, gcl0devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gilbert@sci.ccny.cuny.edu
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+Greetings!  Just wanted to check how this is going.  I've just tried
+multiplying the VSSIZE in h/gclincl.h.in by four, and I seem to be
+getting further along.  I forgot to do the *print-readably*, so am
+retrying with that now.
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> I've been chasing a very difficult bug for several months and
+> I recently achieved a breakthru. Unfortunately it isn't a happy
+> result. 
+> 
+> The nature of the bug is that several hundred of the thousand+
+> algebra compiles die because of a "value stack overflow". I've 
+> been micro-stepping the compiler (you REALLY begin to appreciate
+> what a billion instructions per second mean :-) ). Since this
+> is "known correct" code in some sense the bug must have something
+> to do with the lisp but it has to be proven.
+> 
+> Originally I tried playing with the memory allocations using 
+> init-memory-config but that had no effect. Schelter had introduced
+> init-memory-config for Axiom because we wrestled this problem before.
+> 
+> Later I tried using (setq si::*multiply-stacks* 16) at system build
+> time but that also had no effect. However the "no effect" was
+> subtle. I read the code and it appears that this setq can only be done
+> at the top level command prompt (for obvious reasons). The larger
+> stacks are NOT saved using save-system so they cannot be saved into an
+> image. Nor can they be automatically expanded in an Axiom image as you
+> never enter the top level REP loop.
+> 
+> I worked under the assumption that the larger stacks WERE saved
+> in the image and thus never saw the benefit which led me to the
+> conclusion that it was still an Axiom bug and thus continued to
+> chase it by hand.
+> 
+> Tonight I set out to rebuild Axiom's databases to try to eliminate
+> them as the source of the failure. The database build also failed
+> with a Value stack overflow. So I built a complete system by 
+> hand-loading each routine into a clean lisp. It still failed with
+> a value stack overflow. So I restarted lisp, setq'd the *multiply-stacks*
+> variable at the command prompt and reloaded Axiom one routine at a time.
+> This time the database build died with a Segmentation Violation.
+> 
+> Ah Ha! Rebuilding the databases is a stand-alone program that is
+> completely independent of the compiles. Now there are two paths that
+> fail due to Value stack overflow. Expanding the stacks (successfully
+> this time) causes a segfault.
+> 
+> The same behavior happens in GCL 2.4.1 and GCL 2.5.2
+> 
+> So, the conclusions? 
+> (1) GCL's default value stack size is too small to handle Axiom
+> (2) The (setq si::*multiply-stacks* n) method
+>     (a) can't be used to build Axiom's images
+>     (b) causes a memory failure with a setfault
+> (3) I need some way to hardcode a larger value stack size during
+>     GCL image build. It looks like setting VSSIZE is the correct
+>     method but I can't (yet) figure out where this should be
+>     changed as it is #included in some obscure way.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 21:44:42 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, gcl0devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, gilbert@sci.ccny.cuny.edu
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+Camm,
+
+I rebuilt the lisp (gcl-2.5.2) with a larger VSSIZE and rebuilt the axiom 
+image but it turned out not to be the issue. I've finally solved the
+make-database problem and can now reliably construct the multiple
+databases. All of the underlying lisp problems appear to have been
+solved. I've moved from 2.4 to 2.5.2 as the standard lisp. I solved
+the *print-escape* problem (aka the *print-readably* problem) by
+recoding the offending routines so they now work per the new language
+standard. I've also reworked the *in-package* issue so it should now
+work correctly in 2.5.2.
+
+Unfortunately I've not yet solved the compile problem. Essentially the
+issue is as follows: It was always the case that you needed a running
+Axiom system to build a runnable Axiom system. I've been reworking the
+system to fix this (as most people don't have a running Axiom). In order
+for this to work you need to be able to bootstrap the Axiom compile
+process. So far, though I've flattened a dozen issues, this still
+remains unsolved.
+
+This week I'm taking a different, temporary path. I'm building a working
+Axiom that can be freely distributed and is derived from the source code.
+However, it can't be built from the source code (yet). I hope to have it
+available this weekend. I'm doing this for 3 reasons. First, it will
+make Axiom available again. Second, it will allow users to generate
+bug reports (hopefully one of the bugs will give us the clue to the
+compiler problem). Third, some potential bright-spot of a developer
+might be able to help with the compiler bug.
+
+I'll let you know as soon as I complete the build, test it, and upload
+it to tenkan.
+
+Camm <camm@enhanced.com> writes:
+
+> Greetings!  Just wanted to check how this is going.  I've just tried
+> multiplying the VSSIZE in h/gclincl.h.in by four, and I seem to be
+> getting further along.  I forgot to do the *print-readably*, so am
+> retrying with that now.
+
+>> root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+>> I've been chasing a very difficult bug for several months and
+>> I recently achieved a breakthru. Unfortunately it isn't a happy
+>> result. 
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:00:46 +0200
+From: "Juergen Weiss" <weiss@uni-mainz.de>
+To: <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Input files
+
+Hello,
+
+in the old axiom distributions, there was a directory
+with example and test files (*.input). They have=20
+not been in the cvs tree. Do they exist or have they
+been lost? They could be used as a basis for system
+verification.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:20:53 +0100
+From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+To: Juergen Weiss <weiss@uni-mainz.de>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Input files
+
+They were in the sources which I sent to Tim.  The set under
+development/src/input is richer than the set distributed under mnt and
+is what we used to use for regression testing.  There was a top level
+inputs directory which contained scripts to run the input files
+automatically and compare them with stored results for different
+platforms and versions of Axiom.
+
+Mike. 
+
+On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 12:00:46PM +0200, Juergen Weiss wrote:
+> Hello,
+> 
+> in the old axiom distributions, there was a directory
+> with example and test files (*.input). They have 
+> not been in the cvs tree. Do they exist or have they
+> been lost? They could be used as a basis for system
+> verification.
+> 
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:20:28 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: weiss@uni-mainz.de
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Input files
+
+Juergen Weiss wrote:
+
+> in the old axiom distributions, there was a directory
+> with example and test files (*.input). They have 
+> not been in the cvs tree. Do they exist or have they
+> been lost? They could be used as a basis for system
+> verification.
+
+Juergen,
+
+Yes, they exist. I'll put them in the tree this weekend.  The source
+code consists of more than is in the CVS.  I haven't worked on getting
+whole subsets of the system working yet.
+
+The example/testing files will end up in src/input and are run as
+regression testing on the algebra before it is shipped.  If you know a
+particular area of algebra or develop examples it would be most useful
+to have a copy of your input files.
+ 
+If I can get a semi-working algebra system together then I'm going to
+move the whole pile over to the savannah site and start using CVS from
+that site.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:43:37 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com, gcl-devel@gnu.org
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org,  daly@idsi.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] elt bug
+
+Camm,
+
+I've found another common lisp bug in gcl-2.5.2. 
+To illustrate:
+
+GCL-2.4> (setq a '(+))
+GCL-2.4> (elt a 1)
+
+Error: The index, 1, is too large
+
+GCL-2.5.2> (setq a '(+))
+GCL-2.5.2> (elt a 1)
+
+Error: 1 is not of type POSITIVE-FIXNUM
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:41:15 +0200
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, gcl0devel@gnu.org, gilbert@sci.ccny.cuny.edu, camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Libre Software Meeting (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug)
+
+Hello Tim,
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> This week I'm taking a different, temporary path. I'm building a working
+> Axiom that can be freely distributed and is derived from the source code.
+> However, it can't be built from the source code (yet). I hope to have it
+> available this weekend. I'm doing this for 3 reasons. First, it will
+> make Axiom available again. Second, it will allow users to generate
+> bug reports (hopefully one of the bugs will give us the clue to the
+> compiler problem). Third, some potential bright-spot of a developer
+> might be able to help with the compiler bug.
+
+Great news. 
+
+By the way, a friend told me that you would probably come to the Libre
+Software Meeting, at Metz, France, July 9-12. Can you confirm that you
+will come? During which days? 
+
+I'm currently balancing to come or not and for personnal reasons I
+probably won't attend the whole conference. So if you come, I'll try to
+come at the same date. I think it would be nice to do a small
+face-to-face Axiom meeting.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:29:21 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, gilbert@sci.ccny.cuny.edu, camm@enhanced.com
+Subject: Re: Libre Software Meeting (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug)
+
+I'm leaving here on July 4, arriving in Metz July 5 and staying until 
+July 12th. Most of my pre-conference time is likely to be spent hacking.
+I'll be spending one night in a Paris hotel on the way back.
+
+I'd be happy to get together anytime that's convenient for you.
+
+ david.mentre@wanadoo.fr writes:
+
+> Hello Tim,
+> 
+> root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+> 
+> > This week I'm taking a different, temporary path. I'm building a working
+> > Axiom that can be freely distributed and is derived from the source code.
+> > However, it can't be built from the source code (yet). I hope to have it
+> > available this weekend. I'm doing this for 3 reasons. First, it will
+> > make Axiom available again. Second, it will allow users to generate
+> > bug reports (hopefully one of the bugs will give us the clue to the
+> > compiler problem). Third, some potential bright-spot of a developer
+> > might be able to help with the compiler bug.
+> 
+> Great news. 
+> 
+> By the way, a friend told me that you would probably come to the Libre
+> Software Meeting, at Metz, France, July 9-12. Can you confirm that you
+> will come? During which days? 
+> 
+> I'm currently balancing to come or not and for personnal reasons I
+> probably won't attend the whole conference. So if you come, I'll try to
+> come at the same date. I think it would be nice to do a small
+> face-to-face Axiom meeting.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 21:44:53 -0400
+From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+To: <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+Tim,
+
+On Wednesday, June 04, 2003 9:45 PM you wrote to Camm
+camm@enhanced.com:
+
+> ... 
+> Unfortunately I've not yet solved the compile problem. 
+> Essentially the issue is as follows: It was always the case 
+> that you needed a running Axiom system to build a runnable 
+> Axiom system. I've been reworking the system to fix this (as 
+> most people don't have a running Axiom). In order for this to 
+> work you need to be able to bootstrap the Axiom compile 
+> process. So far, though I've flattened a dozen issues, this 
+> still remains unsolved.
+
+It seems to me that it is conceivable that one might always
+need a running Axiom system in order to (conveniently) build
+a runnable Axiom system. This is essentially the case with any
+compiler that compiles itself. Most higher level languages are
+in this sort of situation today, e.g. the GNU C compiler (gcc)
+is written in gcc, right? Of course there might be the possibily
+of "cross-compilation", i.e. using Axiom on one platform to
+build Axiom on some other platform. And if you were really
+ambitious and had a lot of time, one might be able to re-implement
+the whole thing in some other language, e.g. the way the "Aldor
+part" of Axiom was re-written in C.
+
+A thought: Would using Aldor help to make a runnable Axiom
+system?
+
+> 
+> This week I'm taking a different, temporary path. I'm 
+> building a working Axiom that can be freely distributed and 
+> is derived from the source code. However, it can't be built 
+> from the source code (yet). I hope to have it available this 
+> weekend. I'm doing this for 3 reasons. First, it will make 
+> Axiom available again. Second, it will allow users to 
+> generate bug reports (hopefully one of the bugs will give us 
+> the clue to the compiler problem). Third, some potential 
+> bright-spot of a developer might be able to help with the 
+> compiler bug.
+> 
+
+What would be the problem if you were to take this approach
+as the primary path instead of just a temporary one?
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 15:39:28 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+Bill,
+
+Sorry for the delay but I've been heads-down trying to get a
+runnable Axiom version.
+
+> > ... 
+> > Unfortunately I've not yet solved the compile problem. 
+> > Essentially the issue is as follows: It was always the case 
+> > that you needed a running Axiom system to build a runnable 
+> > Axiom system. I've been reworking the system to fix this (as 
+> > most people don't have a running Axiom). In order for this to 
+> > work you need to be able to bootstrap the Axiom compile 
+> > process. So far, though I've flattened a dozen issues, this 
+> > still remains unsolved.
+> 
+> It seems to me that it is conceivable that one might always
+> need a running Axiom system in order to (conveniently) build
+> a runnable Axiom system. This is essentially the case with any
+> compiler that compiles itself. Most higher level languages are
+> in this sort of situation today, e.g. the GNU C compiler (gcc)
+> is written in gcc, right? Of course there might be the possibily
+> of "cross-compilation", i.e. using Axiom on one platform to
+> build Axiom on some other platform. And if you were really
+> ambitious and had a lot of time, one might be able to re-implement
+> the whole thing in some other language, e.g. the way the "Aldor
+> part" of Axiom was re-written in C.
+
+Technically Axiom can't be built from scratch at several levels
+because it needs a Meta compiler, a Boot compiler, and an Axiom
+compiler (and also a C and a Lisp compiler but they come free).
+However, I've worked around most of the problems associated
+with bootstrapping the system. Having such circularity is less than
+ideal for several reasons not the least of which is that you wouldn't
+be able to download sources and type 'make'. The whole system is
+very close to being built from scratch. I've been bug-chasing the
+remaining bugs but some are very deep and require days worth of
+work (indeed, the last reported GCL ELT bug had me recursed 80
+levels deep into the system. I thought my mental stack would
+overflow :-) ).
+
+> 
+> A thought: Would using Aldor help to make a runnable Axiom
+> system?
+> 
+> > 
+> > This week I'm taking a different, temporary path. I'm 
+> > building a working Axiom that can be freely distributed and 
+> > is derived from the source code. However, it can't be built 
+> > from the source code (yet). I hope to have it available this 
+> > weekend. I'm doing this for 3 reasons. First, it will make 
+> > Axiom available again. Second, it will allow users to 
+> > generate bug reports (hopefully one of the bugs will give us 
+> > the clue to the compiler problem). Third, some potential 
+> > bright-spot of a developer might be able to help with the 
+> > compiler bug.
+> > 
+> 
+> What would be the problem if you were to take this approach
+> as the primary path instead of just a temporary one?
+
+If we were to pursue the aldor route I'd consider scrapping the axiom
+interpreter and going to a compile-time only environment.  This has
+been discussed several times and it is very, very hard.  Manuel
+Bronstein has done some work on this path before.  I don't know of
+anyone that would fund such an effort and I don't believe we would get
+the research-level expertise for free.
+
+But if I were to even entertain such a huge job (which, believe me,
+I'm not) I'd go the other way and grind it all into common lisp
+syntax. The ability of a program to read another program as data gives
+a "second order" power that is hard in Axiom.
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 16:25:00 -0400
+From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+To: <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+Tim,
+
+On Sunday, June 08, 2003 3:39 PM you wrote:
+> 
+> Sorry for the delay but I've been heads-down trying to get
+> a runnable Axiom version.
+
+No problem. I am glad you are taking this route and very
+much look forward to the result. It is not my intention to
+distract you from this efffort!
+
+> ...
+>> It seems to me that it is conceivable that one might always
+>> need a running Axiom system in order to (conveniently) build
+>> a runnable Axiom system. This is essentially the case with any
+>> compiler that compiles itself. Most higher level languages are
+>> in this sort of situation today, e.g. the GNU C compiler (gcc)
+>> is written in gcc, right?
+>> ...
+> 
+> Technically Axiom can't be built from scratch at several 
+> levels because it needs a Meta compiler, a Boot compiler, and 
+> an Axiom compiler (and also a C and a Lisp compiler but they 
+> come free). However, I've worked around most of the problems 
+> associated with bootstrapping the system. Having such 
+> circularity is less than ideal for several reasons not the 
+> least of which is that you wouldn't be able to download 
+> sources and type 'make'.
+
+But this is the *normal* situation for most high level
+languages. I cannot just download gcc and type make -
+I first must already have a running gcc (presumably older
+version) on my system. So I don't see why we should not
+expect this of Axiom as well.
+
+> The whole system is very close to being built from scratch.
+
+By "scratch" you mean starting with a running C compiler and
+various source codes. First compile GCL, then bootsys, then ...
+etc.
+
+Could you (briefly) describe how this process would be
+different if you could presume that there was already a
+running Axiom system available? Say, for example, that
+there was a new version of (some part of) Axiom available
+in source code format from CVS plus a running C compiler,
+GCL already compiled and running *and* an older version of
+Axiom running on the system. What would be the most
+convenient and/or most efficient steps to take to compile
+and install the new version of the Axiom code?
+
+> ... 
+> If we were to pursue the aldor route I'd consider scrapping 
+> the axiom interpreter and going to a compile-time only 
+> environment.  This has been discussed several times and
+> it is very, very hard.  Manuel Bronstein has done some work
+> on this path before.  I don't know of anyone that would fund
+> such an effort and I don't believe we would get the research-
+> level expertise for free.
+
+Perhaps a joint effort with the Aldor people? It is truly
+amazing what one can get for free these days ...
+
+> 
+> But if I were to even entertain such a huge job (which, 
+> believe me, I'm not) I'd go the other way and grind it
+> all into common lisp syntax. The ability of a program to
+> read another program as data gives a "second order" power
+> that is hard in Axiom.
+> 
+
+You mean that this is not possible in Axiom, i.e. programs
+as data? This is not such a foreign idea in high level
+languages any more. For example it is fundamental to
+Python and other languages of that genre. You can even find
+it in Maple's programming language.
+
+I have nothing against lisp as such. But lisp has been
+around a long time and for a lot of different reasons
+it has yet to reach it's full potential. I think there
+are good reasons why people are still searching for better
+higher level languages. Axiom (and Aldor) seem to be moving
+in the right direction to me. To return to "just lisp"
+seems like a backward step, no?
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:40:16 +0200
+From: Ayal Pinkus <apinkus@xs4all.nl>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+Hi,
+
+first off, a disclaimer: I am the maintainer of Yacas, a competing CAS 
+;-)
+
+>>
+>> But if I were to even entertain such a huge job (which,
+>> believe me, I'm not) I'd go the other way and grind it
+>> all into common lisp syntax. The ability of a program to
+>> read another program as data gives a "second order" power
+>> that is hard in Axiom.
+>>
+>
+> You mean that this is not possible in Axiom, i.e. programs
+> as data? This is not such a foreign idea in high level
+> languages any more. For example it is fundamental to
+> Python and other languages of that genre. You can even find
+> it in Maple's programming language.
+>
+
+You don't need to cast the source code into LISP syntax in
+order to be able to read a program and manipulate it symbolically.
+You can convert the code to internal format while reading (parsing) it.
+We do that all the time with Yacas. Yacas code can be compiled, and
+the compiler is written in Yacas script code, for instance.
+
+Given an internal format that the interpreter understands (linked lists
+perhaps even), the parser is simply responsible for converting it into
+internal format. So you can define any syntax you like, and program
+using that syntax. I haven't seen Axiom code yet, but it runs on top
+of LISP, so I would imagine that is how it works in Axiom?
+
+With Yacas we took the liberty of defining our own programming language,
+which can be parsed by a simple operator grammar parser (similar to
+what you have in Prolog). The internal structure is LISP however.
+
+I agree that LISP is perhaps not the most pleasant syntax to
+program in. You miss the opportunity of designing the programming
+language specifically for the task at hand (building a CAS). LISP
+does allow you to define your own language on top of it very easily.
+I'd go that route in stead of using flat LISP syntax. LISP is a more 
+natural
+environment for defining your own programming language than say C++, I
+believe. Being able to cast algorithms in a syntax that is more 
+pleasant to
+read is important, from a maintainability perspective. It makes it 
+easier for
+other developers to start contributing, or to fix bugs.
+
+But that is subjective, just an opinion.
+
+On another note: I saw some of you will be at the Libre Software 
+Meeting. Looking
+forward to meeting you!
+
+Ayal Pinkus
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:18:09 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+> Could you (briefly) describe how this process would be
+> different if you could presume that there was already a
+> running Axiom system available? Say, for example, that
+> there was a new version of (some part of) Axiom available
+> in source code format from CVS plus a running C compiler,
+> GCL already compiled and running *and* an older version of
+> Axiom running on the system. What would be the most
+> convenient and/or most efficient steps to take to compile
+> and install the new version of the Axiom code?
+
+The normal installation process for users who have Axiom will
+amount to downloading the CVS changes and typing make. Axiom
+caches everything possible and even optimizes the code based
+on the cached information during the 'update' builds. At some
+future point the CVS will include a complete, built copy of
+Axiom. The agreement with NAG precludes distribution of their
+images.
+
+> > ... 
+> > If we were to pursue the aldor route I'd consider scrapping 
+> > the axiom interpreter and going to a compile-time only 
+> > environment.  This has been discussed several times and
+> > it is very, very hard.  Manuel Bronstein has done some work
+> > on this path before.  I don't know of anyone that would fund
+> > such an effort and I don't believe we would get the research-
+> > level expertise for free.
+> 
+> Perhaps a joint effort with the Aldor people? It is truly
+> amazing what one can get for free these days ...
+
+It isn't the aldor expertise that is needed but a comprehensive
+understanding of the algebra code. The past code is undocumented
+(the future code, nopefully, will correct this). Axiom grew up
+as a research tool and represented the bleeding edge of computational
+math in various areas. I can read the aldor code but it is hard to
+infer WHY some algorithms work. (This is true even in the interpreter.
+There are 7 parsers. One is a "zipper" parser done by Bill Burge who
+wrote a book on parsing. However, the zipper parser is post-book and
+is undocumented both in code and in theory.) In order to understand
+the challenge pick up a copy of a computer algebra algorithms book
+and consider what it would take to either write the code from those
+descriptions or write the descriptions given the axiom code. I hope
+to see the "book" level of documentation for Axiom. As part of that
+effort it would make sense to rewrite the Axiom code in Aldor.
+
+> > 
+> > But if I were to even entertain such a huge job (which, 
+> > believe me, I'm not) I'd go the other way and grind it
+> > all into common lisp syntax. The ability of a program to
+> > read another program as data gives a "second order" power
+> > that is hard in Axiom.
+> > 
+> 
+> You mean that this is not possible in Axiom, i.e. programs
+> as data? This is not such a foreign idea in high level
+> languages any more. For example it is fundamental to
+> Python and other languages of that genre. You can even find
+> it in Maple's programming language.
+
+Yes, it's possible. It's possible in any language. But the unification
+of program source code syntax and program data structure syntax
+(lists) is a feature of no other language I'm aware of. How often do
+you read a program (as data) in Python, operate on it, spit it out as
+Python, and execute the result?
+
+> 
+> I have nothing against lisp as such. But lisp has been
+> around a long time and for a lot of different reasons
+> it has yet to reach it's full potential. I think there
+> are good reasons why people are still searching for better
+> higher level languages. Axiom (and Aldor) seem to be moving
+> in the right direction to me. To return to "just lisp"
+> seems like a backward step, no?
+
+<RELIGION>
+
+Believe me, nobody I've talked to agrees with me on this so you're in
+the majority. But I've worked on a Symbolics machine and I've seen the
+future, so to speak. (Imagine a world where you can hit an error, edit
+the source, find the failing line of source code, change it, recompile
+it, load it, and CONTINUE FROM THE POINT OF FAILURE, all in less than
+5 seconds. I used to work that way and it was "just lisp").
+
+Block structured languages need, at minimum, special code
+walkers/manipulation tools in order to manipulate the sources.  (Think
+of all of the Axiom parsers).  Which is hardly the issue. The real
+issue is that languages determine what you can think.  The early
+concept of computer algebra comes about with the realization that you
+can symbolically differentiate program text.  The current generation
+manipulates program text for program proofs.  Lisp minimizes the
+distance between the thought and the code.
+
+All of Axiom, including the algebra, compiles to lisp. It is currently
+possible to write code in lisp if you understand the magic.
+
+Axiom's language is very close to the algebra which is a huge win.
+If you understand the domain you can read the Axiom code directly.
+That's the huge benefit of Axiom's language. So it's unlikely to change
+any time soon.
+
+Not to worry, this is just a thought experiment anyway.
+
+</RELIGION>
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:34:02 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: apinkus@xs4all.nl
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+Ayal,
+
+> You don't need to cast the source code into LISP syntax in
+> order to be able to read a program and manipulate it symbolically.
+> You can convert the code to internal format while reading (parsing) it.
+> We do that all the time with Yacas. Yacas code can be compiled, and
+> the compiler is written in Yacas script code, for instance.
+> 
+> Given an internal format that the interpreter understands (linked lists
+> perhaps even), the parser is simply responsible for converting it into
+> internal format. So you can define any syntax you like, and program
+> using that syntax. I haven't seen Axiom code yet, but it runs on top
+> of LISP, so I would imagine that is how it works in Axiom?
+
+That's exactly how it works. 
+
+> 
+> With Yacas we took the liberty of defining our own programming language,
+> which can be parsed by a simple operator grammar parser (similar to
+> what you have in Prolog). The internal structure is LISP however.
+> 
+> I agree that LISP is perhaps not the most pleasant syntax to
+> program in. You miss the opportunity of designing the programming
+> language specifically for the task at hand (building a CAS). LISP
+> does allow you to define your own language on top of it very easily.
+> I'd go that route in stead of using flat LISP syntax. LISP is a more 
+> natural
+> environment for defining your own programming language than say C++, I
+> believe. Being able to cast algorithms in a syntax that is more 
+> pleasant to
+> read is important, from a maintainability perspective. It makes it 
+> easier for
+> other developers to start contributing, or to fix bugs.
+> 
+> But that is subjective, just an opinion.
+
+Your email arrived while I was composing the last message. See the
+religion flame at the end. 
+
+> 
+> On another note: I saw some of you will be at the Libre Software 
+> Meeting. Looking
+> forward to meeting you!
+
+It'll be interesting to meet people face to face.
+I'm looking forward to it.
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 13:11:16 +0200
+From: Ayal Pinkus <apinkus@xs4all.nl>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack overflow bug
+
+>
+> It isn't the aldor expertise that is needed but a comprehensive
+> understanding of the algebra code. The past code is undocumented
+> (the future code, nopefully, will correct this). Axiom grew up
+> as a research tool and represented the bleeding edge of computational
+> math in various areas. I can read the aldor code but it is hard to
+> infer WHY some algorithms work. (This is true even in the interpreter.
+> There are 7 parsers. One is a "zipper" parser done by Bill Burge who
+> wrote a book on parsing. However, the zipper parser is post-book and
+> is undocumented both in code and in theory.) In order to understand
+> the challenge pick up a copy of a computer algebra algorithms book
+> and consider what it would take to either write the code from those
+> descriptions or write the descriptions given the axiom code. I hope
+> to see the "book" level of documentation for Axiom. As part of that
+> effort it would make sense to rewrite the Axiom code in Aldor.
+>
+
+I think it is great that Axiom is striving to document the algorithms
+used. That is in part what people are interested in. They would want
+to know how it works, but also be able to use the algorithms.
+
+I have had a look at Maxima, largely undocumented terse code.
+Computer algebra algorithms are far from trivial. They are not
+the kinds of algorithms where you can just look at the code and
+figure out what is going on. I'd imagine the "zipper" code you mention
+is another beast; parsers are not very complex, but it might be
+highly optimized code, which becomes unreadable again (?)
+For a system to become maintainable documentation is needed
+very much. Ideally, the next generation needs to be able to pick
+the system up and maintain it.
+
+Yacas has a similar aim, documenting algorithms that can be
+used for CAS purposes. I hope we can collaborate on this
+maybe, somehow, by sharing information. I think no one wants
+to abandon their project they have already put so much effort
+in, but sharing information could benefit everybody.
+
+On a side note, it is a bit intimidating to see a CAS that has been
+30 years in development become available ;-) But there is
+room for different systems, even if only so users of the systems
+can verify their calculations by using different systems.
+And strengths between the systems probably differ.
+
+Another question, perhaps a bit of a newbie question: is
+the code available through cvs? I tried to find it but to no
+avail. (Tenkan? Maybe its cvs server was down when i tried).
+Is it top secret? It would be just out of curiosity.
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:08:28 -0400
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: apinkus@xs4all.nl, tim@tenkan.org
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, cc: axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] source access
+
+Tim,
+
+Could you give Ayal Pinkus access to the Axiom cvs on tenkan?
+
+Tim 
+
+Ayal,
+
+> Another question, perhaps a bit of a newbie question: is
+> the code available through cvs? I tried to find it but to no
+> avail. (Tenkan? Maybe its cvs server was down when i tried).
+> Is it top secret? It would be just out of curiosity.
+
+Top secret? Heaven forbid. No, it's available to developers at
+the moment because it is not yet ready to release due to bugs.
+However people on the axiom-developer list can get at it. The
+source cvs currently lives on tenkan.org. Once it gets debugged
+enough it will move to savannah. 
+
+You should hear from the tenkan admin (also named Tim Daly but
+not me) soon. 
+
+\start
+Date: 09 Jun 2003 16:11:48 -0400
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: elt bug
+
+Greetings, and thanks for your report!  Is your problem with the error
+message?  This is indeed listed as a fixme in the code, and is only
+done this way for now to signal the correct type of error.  I can give
+you a patch if this is the case.
+
+Or are you perhaps expecting a '+' as answer here?  I believe that
+would be (elt a 0).
+
+        Take care,
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> Camm,
+> 
+> I've found another common lisp bug in gcl-2.5.2. 
+> To illustrate:
+> 
+> GCL-2.4> (setq a '(+))
+> GCL-2.4> (elt a 1)
+> 
+> Error: The index, 1, is too large
+> 
+> GCL-2.5.2> (setq a '(+))
+> GCL-2.5.2> (elt a 1)
+> 
+> Error: 1 is not of type POSITIVE-FIXNUM
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 17:00:02 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: elt bug
+
+Camm,
+
+The error message is wrong. In particular it caused me several days
+of effort to find as Axiom type-optimizes it's code and can throw
+a valid message saying " ... is not of type POSITIVE-FIXNUM". A more
+useful message would include the function name as well as the failure
+as in:
+  ELT: The index, 1, is larger than the sequence bound.
+
+Please show me where to patch the code and I'll fix it.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 19:58:12 +1000
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] source access
+
+ > 
+ > Ayal,
+ > 
+ > > Another question, perhaps a bit of a newbie question: is
+ > > the code available through cvs? I tried to find it but to no
+ > > avail. (Tenkan? Maybe its cvs server was down when i tried).
+
+For those who want read-only access, try
+:pserver:anonymous@www.tenkan.org:/home/cvs
+and checkout axiom (no password required).
+
+Incidentally, I agree with Tim that it should be possible to download
+the sources to Axiom and GCL, type `make' and get a working binary
+without having a running Axiom system beforehand. As Tim says he has
+done most of the work already, this also seems the clearest path to
+success, especially with a view toward portability. Obviously this is
+a decision for the developers to make, but if there is no
+architectural reason to the contrary, I think the build process should
+be made to work as Tim envisages.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:06:40 +0200
+From: "Juergen Weiss" <weiss@uni-mainz.de>
+To: "Jason White" <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>, <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] source access
+
+Actually the most difficult part of the build process -- to
+handle the dependencies of the algebra sources has already
+dealt with by Tim Daly. With a few precompiled (to lisp source)
+modules, it is possible to compile all the algebra. (I don't
+now, if it's possible to do it without the precompiled=20
+modules -- but that would be quite a bit of work and it's
+questionable that it's worth the effort: one would have
+to write some skeleton algebra modules, probably one would have
+to fix the bootstrap mode of the algebra compiler and devise
+a complicated iterative method to get the core algebra=20
+files compiled).
+
+The current problem lies with gcl. With cmucl I was able to
+compile all the algebra files and get a working algebra
+system.
+
+So there is nothing in principle and practice against generating
+an axiom system with a simple call to make. There is a
+problem with the gcl system which must be fixed. As far I can
+see from the discussion in this list, it seems to be related
+to the number of arguments in a function call or something similar.=20
+Akcl had to be customized even 10 years ago to run axiom. I think,
+I did that once for akcl on sparc sunos 4.1. But I fear I cannot
+remember the details. This problem is triggered by the axiom
+compiler, which compiles algebra files to lisp, not the axiom=20
+runtime system. So Tim Daly wants to translate the files to
+lisp on another system and distribute the translated lisp files
+as a first measure. So one could get a working axiom runtime
+system -- at first without the ability to compile the algebra files.
+
+Other paths would be to use another lisp system, cmu cl for
+example. Getting a core system with cmu cl is not so difficult
+(I have one), but getting all the functionality (graphics,
+hyperdoc etc.) requires some work. Because I'm mainly interested
+in the algebra, that did not matter to me.
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: Jason White [mailto:jasonjgw@pacific.net.au]=20
+> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:58 AM
+> To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] source access
+>=20
+>=20
+>  >=20
+>  > Ayal,
+>  >=20
+>  > > Another question, perhaps a bit of a newbie question: is
+>  > > the code available through cvs? I tried to find it but to no
+>  > > avail. (Tenkan? Maybe its cvs server was down when i tried).
+>=20
+> For those who want read-only access, try
+> :pserver:anonymous@www.tenkan.org:/home/cvs
+> and checkout axiom (no password required).
+>=20
+> Incidentally, I agree with Tim that it should be possible to download
+> the sources to Axiom and GCL, type `make' and get a working binary
+> without having a running Axiom system beforehand. As Tim says he has
+> done most of the work already, this also seems the clearest path to
+> success, especially with a view toward portability. Obviously this is
+> a decision for the developers to make, but if there is no
+> architectural reason to the contrary, I think the build process should
+> be made to work as Tim envisages.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:53:05 +0200
+From: "Juergen Weiss" <weiss@uni-mainz.de>
+To: <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Value stack problem
+
+Hi,
+
+I had a look at the value stack problem. I extended VSSIZE to
+over 80000. I'm not sure, but I think I could compile ALIST,
+which could not be compiled before. But FS gave a value stack
+overflow. Debugging with (use-fast-links nil), it seems
+that when the function mainKernel is compiled, there is an
+infinite recursion in the |extendsCategoryForm| function.
+For example
+start interpsys
+)lisp (use-fast-links nil)
+)set break break
+)co FS
+
+after the compiler is loaded, type ^C
+(trace |extendsCategoryForm|)
+:r
+
+A stacktrace shows the infinite recursion
+
+#546   extendsCategoryForm
+{domain=3Ds,form=3D(|UniqueFactorizationDomain|),form'=3D(|Field|)} =
+[ihs=3D133]
+#547   extendsCategoryForm
+{domain=3Ds,form=3D(|EuclideanDomain|),form'=3D(|Field|)} [ihs=3D132]
+#548   extendsCategoryForm
+{domain=3Ds,form=3D(|UniqueFactorizationDomain|),form'=3D(|Field|)} =
+[ihs=3D131]
+#549   extendsCategoryForm
+{domain=3Ds,form=3D(|EuclideanDomain|),form'=3D(|Field|)} [ihs=3D130]
+#550   extendsCategoryForm
+{domain=3Ds,form=3D(|UniqueFactorizationDomain|),form'=3D(|Field|)} =
+[ihs=3D129]
+#551   extendsCategoryForm
+{domain=3Ds,form=3D(|EuclideanDomain|),form'=3D(|Field|)} [ihs=3D128]
+#552   extendsCategoryForm
+{domain=3Ds,form=3D(|UniqueFactorizationDomain|),form'=3D(|Field|)} =
+[ihs=3D127]
+#553   extendsCategoryForm {domain=3Ds,form=3D(|FunctionSpace|
+r),form'=3D(|Field|)} [ihs=3D126]
+#554   extendsCategoryForm {domain=3Ds,form=3D(|FunctionSpace|
+r),form'=3D(|Join| (|Field|) (category |domain| (s...} [ihs=3D125]
+#555   coerceHard {t$=3D(s (|FunctionSpace| r) ((#))),m=3D(|Join| =
+(|Field|)
+(category |domain| (signat...} [ihs=3D124]
+#556   coerce {t$=3D(s (|FunctionSpace| r) ((#))),m=3D(|Join| (|Field|)
+(category |domain| (signat...} [ihs=3D123]
+#557   convert {t$=3D(s (|FunctionSpace| r) ((#))),m=3D(|Join| (|Field|)
+(category |domain| (signat...} [ihs=3D122]
+#558   compAtom {x=3Ds,m=3D(|Join| (|Field|) (category |domain| =
+(signature
+|coerce| #) ...)),e=3D(((# ...} [ihs=3D121]
+
+With cmu cl there is no infinite recursion, the recursive call to
+extendsCategoryForm
+terminates at some point.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:49:56 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: weiss@uni-mainz.de
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Value stack problem
+
+re: CMUCL vs GCL
+
+Yes, it appears that there is code somewhere that depends on a
+definition that has changed in the common lisp. I found at least 
+one such problem related to set-difference. Clearly the code is
+"right" in some sense.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:34:34 -0400
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+cc: daly@isdi.net, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom for Linux available
+
+I've hand-built a version of Axiom for Linux. 
+It is available for download at: http://axiom.tenkan.org
+Please download the file and try to run it.
+Instructions for installation are on the web page.
+
+I'd like to build a windows version but will need some help from
+someone with a windows machine.
+
+Note that this version cannot, at the moment, be built automatically
+from the CVS code. I'm in the process of updating the CVS at the 
+moment but even the latest version will not fully automate the build.
+The latest CVS version automates portions of the regression testing
+for builds. A working subset of the test files is distributed with
+the handbuilt version (see axiom/mnt/input/*)
+
+Note also that this version includes only the interpreter and compiler.
+There are many other portions of Axiom which still need to be built (e.g. 
+the graphics subsystem).
+
+The hand-built version has some known bugs. In particular:
+
+recursive patterns sometimes fail.
+LinearOrdinaryDifferentialOperators sometimes fails.
+compiling domains with certain hasCategory dependencies fails.
+name defaulting isn't working (specifiy full names to the read command)
+
+If you find what you feel is a bug please send a .input file showing
+the failing example to one of:
+  daly@idsi.net
+  axiom@tenkan.org
+  axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+
+If this version can be run successfully by several people I'll
+look deeply into moving the whole pile onto savannah.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:08:38 +0200 (CEST)
+From: Bertfried Fauser <fauser@spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de>
+To: Tim Daly <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom for Linux available
+
+On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Tim Daly wrote:
+
+> I've hand-built a version of Axiom for Linux.
+> It is available for download at: http://axiom.tenkan.org
+
+Dear Tim!
+
+great work! I downloaded the axiom.xxx.tgz and everything seems to work
+fine on my SuSE linux 8.2. Axiom starts and compoters with intergers and
+polynoms. I would however suggest another place that /tmp, I have put it
+into /usr/local/axiom...
+
+May I kindly likr to ask, if there are the helpfiles also distributed. I
+am a bloody newcommer to axiom and need example to see what it really can
+do. I know a little bit of aldor, but some further resource would be fine.
+
+Anyhow, you really did a great wonderful job!
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:27:16 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom for Linux available
+
+Well, I chose /tmp just so it would be obvious to people that
+the root location could be anything. I'll change the description
+of the install process once I move the announcement out of the
+developer group.
+
+Check out the files in axiom/mnt/input for examples.
+The Axiom textbook is available on amazon (used) for about $20.
+I'll be uploading more documentation in the future but getting
+the code to work is more important at the moment. I'll look into
+how much I can put together with the minimum effort and add it
+to the next distribution version.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:28:35 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Float bugs
+
+really curious behavior about round/truncate/fractionPart.
+i've added it to the list of bugs. thanks.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:31:54 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom for Linux available
+
+Bill,
+
+I believe you have succeeded in getting a running port of the
+interpreter. I need you to do a special compile of the algebra
+code, run input tests, check the results, and if successful,
+tar up the file with instructions so windows users can use it.
+
+Alternatively, (or perhaps in addition) I need to learn how your
+windows environment is set up and set up a machine here with the
+same environment. What do you use? Which compiler?
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:54:01 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: AXIOM server number is undefined
+
+re: bug 20030619001:
+
+> Second, apparently axiom used to issue two ->
+> prompts before before waiting for input (maybe
+> the first one occurred in some explanatory text?)
+> Anyway, all I had to do was to tell tm_axiom to
+> only expect one prompt.
+
+The first prompt is the startup prompt.
+The second is the start of a "frame" (a separate namespace).
+This is a bug but I have no fix for it yet.
+
+You can see the things you can set by issuing the command:
+
+)set
+
+You can see further options of a set command (say messages) by:
+
+)set messages
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 06:50:28 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: AXIOM server number is undefined
+
+re: bug 20030619002:
+
+> Also, is there an easy way to turn off all
+> those 
+
+>   Loading ...
+
+> messages? They are good for debugging but not
+> interesting to the user.
+
+create a file called axiom.input in your home directory.
+add a line that reads:
+
+)set message autoload off
+
+next time you start axiom and type a+1 you should no longer
+get algebra load messages.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:07:30 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: AXIOM server number is undefined
+
+re: bug 20030619000:
+
+> First, notice that the first two lines of output
+> beginning
+
+>   Using local database ...
+
+> are run together into a single line (missing \n?)
+> The total line length (151 chars) exceeded the
+> internal line buffer maximum (128) specified in
+> tm_axiom. That was easy to fix. But maybe you
+> should make a note to fix it also in axiom.
+
+Yes, I've chased this one. Curiously the messages are all
+written out by the same code. 3 of the 4 messages work.
+The offending message must take another code path but I 
+haven't found it yet.
+
+The "using local database" messages are due to the fact
+that I've moved where the databases are loaded from.
+By default they used to be loaded from the mnt/algebra
+subdirectory (since there was no other). Nag changed it
+so they were loaded from a "share" subdirectory. I'm in
+the process of changing it back. This should work:
+
+(assuming that code lives in /tmp)
+
+mkdir /tmp/axiom/share
+mkdir /tmp/axiom/share/algebra
+cp /tmp/axiom/mnt/linux/algebra/*.daase /mnt/axiom/share/algebra
+export AXIOM=/tmp/axiom/mnt/linux
+export PATH=/tmp/axiom/mnt/linux/bin:$PATH
+interpsys
+
+In order to change where Axiom finds various database files on 
+startup you can set a shell variable called DAASE (a contraction
+of database). If you look at the shipped 'axiom' command which
+lives in /tmp/axiom/mnt/linux/bin/axiom you'll see that I set
+that variable in the shell script to the new load location. The
+above commands move the databases back to the default location.
+Axiom will only generate the loading messages when you've moved
+the default location. 
+
+The above commands call interpsys rather than axiom so you are
+invoking the interpreter without using the axiom shell script.
+You could change the axiom shell script to elide the DAASE
+variable (once you've copied the daase files) and still use
+the axiom command.
+
+This will be fixed as soon as I hardcode the new default.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:53:45 +1000
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Axiom for Linux available
+
+ > I'll be uploading more documentation in the future but getting
+ > the code to work is more important at the moment. I'll look into
+ > how much I can put together with the minimum effort and add it
+ > to the next distribution version.
+
+(1) -> )summary
+cat: /home/jason/axiom/mnt/linux/lib/summary: No such file or directory
+
+should be easy to fix if you have the file, which isn't in CVS either.
+
+There is also a tutorial available online at
+http://www-theory.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial/
+
+There is also an overview document (in Postscript only) somewhere on
+the Web (a site in the Netherlands if memory serves). I can try to
+locate it again if necessary.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:36:55 -0400
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: hbaker1@pipeline.com
+cc: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Meta Prag-Parse
+
+Mr Baker,
+
+I'm Tim Daly, the lead developer of the open source computer algebra
+system Axiom. Axiom started in the 60s as an IBM Research effort, was
+later sold to NAG in England, and has been withdrawn as a commercial
+product. I'm converting it to open and free software. One of the seven
+parsers in Axiom is written in Meta and I'm documenting the system.
+
+You have written some documentation of Meta (Prag-Parse.[html,ps])
+which you distribute with the meta code. I'd like to package those
+files (or some derivative in our literate programming pamphlet format).
+The files would be distributed under a modified BSD license as part of
+the internal documentation of the Axiom source code. You would be given
+credit of authorship. I'd like your permission to do that.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:24:28 -0700
+From: Henry Baker <hbaker1@pipeline.com>
+To: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+cc: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Meta Prag-Parse
+
+Tim:
+
+No problem with Meta.  As referenced in my paper, the original Meta
+ideas came from papers published in the 1960's.
+
+I'd be interested in learning more about Axiom.  How big is it?  What
+machines does it run on?  Are you going to make it available on a
+palm-top?  :-)
+
+If you want my Meta stuff in any other formats, please let me know.
+
+I also have optimized versions of Lisp code that didn't appear in
+the paper, because the paper would have gotten too big.
+
+Henry Baker, PhD (CS MIT'78)
+----------------------------
+At 10:36 AM 6/20/03 -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+>Mr Baker,
+>
+>I'm Tim Daly, the lead developer of the open source computer algebra
+>system Axiom. Axiom started in the 60s as an IBM Research effort, was
+>later sold to NAG in England, and has been withdrawn as a commercial
+>product. I'm converting it to open and free software. One of the seven
+>parsers in Axiom is written in Meta and I'm documenting the system.
+>
+>You have written some documentation of Meta (Prag-Parse.[html,ps])
+>which you distribute with the meta code. I'd like to package those
+>files (or some derivative in our literate programming pamphlet format).
+>The files would be distributed under a modified BSD license as part of
+>the internal documentation of the Axiom source code. You would be given
+>credit of authorship. I'd like your permission to do that.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 11:11:42 -0400
+From: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+To: hbaker1@pipeline.com
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Meta Prag-Parse
+
+Thanks for the quick response. I have a version of the Meta lisp
+code that was included with the parse documentation. Is there some
+way to decide whether this code is the latest? (If you put the code
+someplace I can download and diff).
+
+Bill Burge wrote an Axiom parser in Meta in the 60s. Bill is the author
+of a book on parsing techniques.
+
+Axiom is a large computer algebra system (originally one of the big
+commercial systems like Mathematica and Maple). It's been developed
+over the last 30 years and represents about 300 man-years of research
+at last count.
+
+NAG (The Numerical Algorithms Group) withdrew it from the market and
+gave it to me to open source. I was one of the original developers
+while it was a research project at IBM Research.
+
+There is a web page (savannah.nongnu.org/projects/axiom) that is
+the project home page. It will be in use shortly. Currently the
+code is on tenkan.org and can be downloaded using anonymous CVS.
+
+The home page is at www.nongnu.org/axiom and I've described some
+ideas for future directions there.
+
+There is a (alpha) runnable version of Axiom for Linux at:
+axiom.tenkan.org  
+
+The current state of the project is that the algebra portion of
+the system is mostly buildable from source code. I'm working to
+document the sources as well as chase known bugs. There are large
+portions of the system (e.g. hypertex, graphics) which are still
+on the list of things to do. 
+
+As for other formats, all of Axiom (lisp, c, meta, boot, makefiles, etc)
+is now in a common file format called pamphlets which is a literate
+programming language based on Tex. I'll grind the Meta stuff into the
+same format so it integrates with the rest of the developing documenation.
+
+I originally had an Axiom that ran on DOS many centuries ago in less
+than a meg of memory. I hope to port it to run on a Zaurus 5600 (that
+is assuming I can get funding for it). Since the 5600 is an intel
+chip running linux the port may even amount to a straight copy but
+I doubt it. There is no such thing as a simple job.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 14:28:19 -0700
+From: Henry Baker <hbaker1@pipeline.com>
+To: Tim Daly  <daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Meta Prag-Parse
+
+Tim:
+
+Is there any documentation online anywhere (html, pdf) ?
+
+Henry
+-----
+At 11:11 AM 6/20/03 -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+>Thanks for the quick response. I have a version of the Meta lisp
+>code that was included with the parse documentation. Is there some
+>way to decide whether this code is the latest? (If you put the code
+>someplace I can download and diff).
+>
+>Bill Burge wrote an Axiom parser in Meta in the 60s. Bill is the author
+>of a book on parsing techniques.
+>
+>Axiom is a large computer algebra system (originally one of the big
+>commercial systems like Mathematica and Maple). It's been developed
+>over the last 30 years and represents about 300 man-years of research
+>at last count.
+>
+>NAG (The Numerical Algorithms Group) withdrew it from the market and
+>gave it to me to open source. I was one of the original developers
+>while it was a research project at IBM Research.
+>
+>There is a web page (savannah.nongnu.org/projects/axiom) that is
+>the project home page. It will be in use shortly. Currently the
+>code is on tenkan.org and can be downloaded using anonymous CVS.
+>
+>The home page is at www.nongnu.org/axiom and I've described some
+>ideas for future directions there.
+>
+>There is a (alpha) runnable version of Axiom for Linux at:
+>axiom.tenkan.org  
+>
+>The current state of the project is that the algebra portion of
+>the system is mostly buildable from source code. I'm working to
+>document the sources as well as chase known bugs. There are large
+>portions of the system (e.g. hypertex, graphics) which are still
+>on the list of things to do. 
+>
+>As for other formats, all of Axiom (lisp, c, meta, boot, makefiles, etc)
+>is now in a common file format called pamphlets which is a literate
+>programming language based on Tex. I'll grind the Meta stuff into the
+>same format so it integrates with the rest of the developing documenation.
+>
+>I originally had an Axiom that ran on DOS many centuries ago in less
+>than a meg of memory. I hope to port it to run on a Zaurus 5600 (that
+>is assuming I can get funding for it). Since the 5600 is an intel
+>chip running linux the port may even amount to a straight copy but
+>I doubt it. There is no such thing as a simple job.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:45:14 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: hbaker1@pipeline.com
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Meta Prag-Parse
+
+re: documentation
+
+sure, especially the meta parser :-)
+
+i've been concentrating on documenting the source code as that's
+where my expertise is needed most. there are two primary sources
+of user-level documentation. first, there is a book on axiom
+(available at amazon used for about $20. however, i believe i have
+the source text for the book and, if i do, i'll be making that
+available). second, the axiom/src/input subdirectory has a lot of
+examples derived from the hyperdoc subsystem (which is not yet
+ported) and used as regression tests.
+
+i've been ignoring the user-level documentation issue but you're
+the 4th person to ask and the system has only been available for
+2 days. i'll concentrate on getting something resembling user
+documentation available this weekend. i'll send you a note when
+i upload something.
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 00:15:52 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: jasonjgw@pacific.net.au
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] subscribing to axiom-developer, user interface issues.
+
+The axiom-mail mailing list will heat up shortly but you might find it
+a bit redundant. As Axiom gets introduced into a larger audience the
+same questions will come around (even though the answers end up in a
+FAQ :-) ). I'ts a part of the game. The plan is to introduce the first
+versions to the developers, fix it, reintroduce the version into the
+axiom list, fix it, then introduce it on savannah, and then mention it
+to the researchers thru various paths, finally announcing it on places
+like sci.math.symbolic, slashdot, etc.  I'm using the developers to
+give me a clue (like, hey, where's the documentation?) since this is
+all new to me. I'm also depending on developers to build axiom for
+different platforms and interfaces to different tools.  If you want it
+first the axiom-developer list is where it'll happen first.
+
+Axiom grew fastest when it was used by many people to further their own
+research and development goals. I'm hoping to bring this system to a
+larger audience so people can push it in directions they care about.
+
+There are a number of people in France and Germany who are interested
+in using an open source computer algebra system in education. I've had
+several discussions about a "zero learning curve" interface that makes
+it MUCH easier to do algebra. This would be useful for teaching as you
+don't want to spend a lot of teaching time explaining how to use the
+system. So the user interface is likely to get attention sooner than
+you'd expect. Bill Page and Joris van der Hoeven have created a
+Texmacs front end. You could contribute by giving feedback about
+accessibility issues in mathematics which is something I never think
+about.
+
+Another area where Axiom can excel is in research. I've had
+discussions with people about extensions in various interesting
+directions where computer algebra systems are weak. An open source
+algebra system allows the researcher to quickly introduce their
+algorithms. Trying to get a new algorithm published thru the
+commercial systems is hard and takes a lot of time. An open source
+system is clearly a fast-path to a large group.
+
+A third direction of discussion has been toward proving the algorithms
+in Axiom correct. We need to do this. How else can we trust systems of
+this complexity? Fortunately most of the algorithms are in a very high
+level language and are fairly close to their mathematical
+descriptions. Unfortunately it's still a huge challenge.
+
+There are several other directions that have been discussed.
+It's an exciting time. Stay tuned...
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:00:02 +1000
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer]  Re: subscribing to axiom-developer, user interface issues.
+
+A low-priority question:
+
+To make Axiom output easily readable via synthetic speech or on my braille
+display I need it in a linear format. Partial success can be achieved
+as follows (see the last several lines for the problem):
+
+(1) -> 1/3
+
+        1
+   (1)  -
+        3
+                                                       Type: Fraction Integer
+(2) -> )set output fraction
+--------------------------- The fraction Option ---------------------------
+
+ Description: how fractions are formatted
+
+ The fraction option may be followed by any one of the following:
+
+ -> vertical 
+    horizontal
+
+ The current setting is indicated within the list.
+
+(2) -> )set output fraction horizontal
+(2) -> %
+
+   (2)  1/3
+                                                       Type: Fraction Integer
+(3) -> a*x**3+b*x**2+c*x+d=0
+
+           3      2
+   (3)  a x  + b x  + c x + d= 0
+                                            Type: Equation Polynomial Integer
+(4) -> )set output scripts
+--------------------------- The scripts Option ----------------------------
+
+ Description: show subscripts,... linearly
+
+ The scripts option may be followed by any one of the following:
+
+    yes
+    no
+
+ The current setting is indicated within the list.
+
+(4) -> )set output scripts yes
+(4) -> %
+
+           3      2
+   (4)  a x  + b x  + c x + d= 0
+                                            Type: Equation Polynomial Integer
+(5) ->
+
+Either the scripts option isn't working or I have misunderstood what
+it is meant to do. That no "current setting" is highlighted in the
+help text suggests this might be a bug.
+
+\start
+Date: 21 Jun 2003 11:16:19 +0200
+From: Juergen Weiss <weiss@uni-mainz.de>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Output problem
+
+Hi,
+
+there is a problem with the generation of output
+(1) -> [ i**3 for i  in 1..10]
+
+   (1)  [1,8,27,64,125,216,343,512,729,100]
+                                                   Type: List PositiveInteger
+
+If you trace |processInteractive| you can really see, that
+it's an output problem.
+
+I ran the test with the Linux distribution of axiom and the
+Linux libraries on FreeBSD. So I think, it's an akcl, not
+a FreeBSD problem. The bad output does not happen on
+cmu cl. Probably a rounding problem (the output of 1001
+is correct)
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 06:59:57 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: jasonjgw@pacific.net.au
+cc: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] set output script yes
+
+Jason,
+
+I have no idea what ")set output scripts yes" should do. I'll have to
+read the code. Generally the way these things work is that the output
+routine will call the "script" function from the domain (such as
+Fraction Integer) and let the domain decide to output things in a
+special way. It may be that Equation Polynomial Integer has no
+script output method. I'll add it to the known bugs list.
+
+If you have a read that understands tex you could try ")set output tex on".
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:20:24 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de
+cc: hbaker1@pipeline.com, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+Bertfried,
+
+>for a start up the link which was posted in this mailing list
+>
+>http://www-theory.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/documentation/
+
+I can't get to this site. It gives me a "403 Forbidden" error.
+Also, I have to get permission to redistribute the documentation
+as I didn't write it.
+
+>helped at least me to come up with my first working AXIOM function. Having
+>the book online available would be great, even if I odered it just a few
+>minutes ago. And, there are no so many such books available for an
+>affordable price, ....
+
+Both paper and electronic versions have their uses. I've been unable to
+Tex the user's guide that came from NAG due to missing files so it is
+going to take a while to reverse-engineer what is missing.
+
+>The documentation of Aldor may help a little bit further, especially
+>concerning what types. For a new user the greatest problem seems to be to
+>detect which functions are available doing routine jobs. I am thinking
+>about compiling a sort of a command chart, perhaps with maple quivalent
+>and may put it on my web page, if time allows.
+
+I wrote one of the tutorial chapters for the Aldor compiler. 
+Unfortunately it is slanted toward the issues of building a stand
+alone domain. Since Aldor doesn't have Axiom's algebra pile you
+basically have to start from scratch if you want to work only in
+Aldor (Aldor can compile code that runs in Axiom also). So the
+tutorial was focused on the issues that arise if you try to create
+a simple polynomial domain from scratch.
+
+Coding in Axiom usually starts at a much higher level. Almost every
+primitive thing you can think of is hiding in the algebra somewhere. 
+Finding it is not easy although there are some command-line
+queries, such as the ")what operation" command, that can help.
+
+There is also a stand-alone C program in the distribution called "asq"
+(in English this sounds like "ask") which knows the format of the
+databases and can answer questions without starting Axiom. For example, 
+"asq -so DHMATRIX" will tell you the source file that contains the domain
+DHMATRIX.
+
+Ideally we need something like Java's JavaDoc facility. Perhaps JavaDoc
+can be made to work on the algebra files. I'll put it on the "todo" list
+to try. Of course, somebody would have to WRITE the javadoc descriptions
+but at least the support machinery would be there. (I believe there is
+a DOC++ function for C++ that does something similer).
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:33:34 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: weiss@uni-mainz.de
+cc: daly@idsi.net, cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, cc: axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Output problem
+
+Juergen,
+
+> there is a problem with the generation of output
+> (1) -> [ i**3 for i  in 1..10]
+> 
+>    (1)  [1,8,27,64,125,216,343,512,729,100]
+>                                                    Type: List PositiveInteger
+> 
+> If you trace |processInteractive| you can really see, that
+> it's an output problem.
+> 
+> I ran the test with the Linux distribution of axiom and the
+> Linux libraries on FreeBSD. So I think, it's an akcl, not
+> a FreeBSD problem. The bad output does not happen on
+> cmu cl. Probably a rounding problem (the output of 1001
+> is correct)
+
+Nobody really needs numbers larger than 3 digits :-)
+
+Curiously, if you do the loop [ i**3 for i  in 1..12] all of the
+other answers are right. 
+
+The major difference between the CVS version of Axiom and the
+hand-built distribution is the algebra files. The hand-built
+version of the algebra is compiled using NAG's version of Axiom.
+The CVS version is built from the CVS sources. Both give the
+same wrong answer so it may be that the bug is in the output
+routine in the algebra code. 
+
+Good catch. I'll put it on the known bugs list.
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:40:03 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Dunstan's Documentation
+
+Bertfried,
+
+I succeeded in getting to:
+
+http://www-theory.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial
+
+which looks like an excellent introduction to Axiom.
+
+Does anyone on the list know Martin Dunstan? Can you give me a 
+contact address? I'd like to get permission to redistribute this
+tutorial with Axiom.
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:55:27 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: mnd@dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk, mnd@dcs.st-and.ac.uk
+cc: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Axiom Documentation
+
+Dr Dunstan,
+
+I'm Tim Daly, the lead developer of the open source computer algebra
+system Axiom. Axiom started in the 60s as an IBM Research effort, was
+later sold to NAG in England, and has been withdrawn as a commercial
+product. I know you worked closely with NAG in the past.
+
+You have written quite a bit about Axiom. I have a copy of your thesis
+work as well as a recent link to your tutorial listed at this site:
+http://www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial. 
+Axiom is just now becoming available and needs documentation which can
+be distributed with the source code and executables. Both your thesis
+and this tutorial would be very useful to future developers and users
+of Axiom. I'd like your permission to integrate your work as part of
+the distribution.
+
+The files would be distributed under a modified BSD license as part of
+the documentation of Axiom. You would be given credit of authorship. 
+I'd like your permission to do that.
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:21:54 +1000
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+Tim Daly writes:
+ > 
+ > 
+ > Both paper and electronic versions have their uses. I've been unable to
+ > Tex the user's guide that came from NAG due to missing files so it is
+ > going to take a while to reverse-engineer what is missing.
+
+If you were to place the TeX sources in CVS it would at least be
+possible to read those. I assume the missing components are
+style files rather than parts of the user's guide itself.
+
+Another useful document, which again you would need to seek permission
+to distribute, is at http://remote.science.uva.nl/~heck/tour.ps.gz
+
+Furthermore, I have found an advertisement for Axiom that offers a good
+overview of the system:
+http://www.sxst.it/nag__axm.htm
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:08:21 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: jasonjgw@pacific.net.au
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+Jason,
+
+I'd rather not put badly broken things up in publicly accessible
+places. It's guaranteed that most people will expect a tex file
+to properly tex. There are some missing style files but the tex
+itself is so old that it causes Latex to default to an old version.
+I can fix it (since I wrote portions of it) but it will take more 
+time than I had hoped.
+
+I'll look at the two documents you mentioned.
+
+It is also rumored that Springer has an interactive textbook that
+was based on Axiom but never released. I've been unable to find anyone
+at Springer to confirm or deny this. It would be great if they would
+consider releasing it as open source.
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 17:16:23 +1000
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Output problem
+
+Actually the bug can be triggered much more simply:
+
+(1) -> [1000]
+
+   (1)  [100]
+                                                   Type: List PositiveInteger
+\start
+Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 10:39:08 +0200 (CEST)
+From: Bertfried Fauser <fauser@spock.physik.uni-konstanz.de>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, root wrote:
+
+Dear Tim,
+
+was that Springer Germany or US? If I had a name or something more
+concrete I could try to be inquisitive, but I canot promis anything.
+
+cheers
+BF.
+
+> It is also rumored that Springer has an interactive textbook that
+> was based on Axiom but never released. I've been unable to find anyone
+> at Springer to confirm or deny this. It would be great if they would
+> consider releasing it as open source.
+
+\start
+Date: 22 Jun 2003 10:06:33 -0400
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: "Juergen Weiss" <weiss@uni-mainz.de>
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] source access
+
+Greetings!
+
+"Juergen Weiss" <weiss@uni-mainz.de> writes:
+
+> The current problem lies with gcl. With cmucl I was able to
+> compile all the algebra files and get a working algebra
+> system.
+> 
+> So there is nothing in principle and practice against generating
+> an axiom system with a simple call to make. There is a
+> problem with the gcl system which must be fixed. As far I can
+> see from the discussion in this list, it seems to be related
+> to the number of arguments in a function call or something similar. 
+> Akcl had to be customized even 10 years ago to run axiom. I think,
+> I did that once for akcl on sparc sunos 4.1. But I fear I cannot
+> remember the details. This problem is triggered by the axiom
+
+OK, please forgive, as I only intermittently follow this list.  It was
+my understanding that this 'value stack overflow' problem had been
+resolved, but apparently I've misread some earlier email on the
+subject.  It would be most helpful to me if someone could summarize in
+as much detail as possible what is known about this issue.   Can one
+provide a small example in lisp which triggers this overflow?  I take
+it that there is some termination problem in a recursive function
+call?  How its this related to the number of arguments in a call?
+I've reproduced the ')co xpoly.spad' example, and have verified that
+the value stack will terminate at some 44k deep if one expands the
+default value stack size, but then there is a segfault.  Haven't yet
+looked much deeper, but I'd like to time permitting.  I'd also like to
+know what a proper stack should look like in a correctly functioning
+setup. 
+
+BTW, here is the patch submitted a while ago for the elt error message
+bug, if you would like it:
+
+Index: o/error.c
+===================================================================
+RCS file: /cvsroot/gcl/gcl/o/error.c,v
+retrieving revision 1.15
+retrieving revision 1.16
+diff -u -r1.15 -r1.16
+--- o/error.c	27 Feb 2003 15:50:59 -0000	1.15
++++ o/error.c	10 Jun 2003 13:28:11 -0000	1.16
+@@ -120,7 +120,7 @@
+ 
+ 
+ 
+-static object
++object
+ Icall_error_handler(object error_name,object error_format_string,int nfmt_args,...)
+ { object b[20];
+   b[0]= error_name;
+Index: o/sequence.d
+===================================================================
+RCS file: /cvsroot/gcl/gcl/o/sequence.d,v
+retrieving revision 1.3
+retrieving revision 1.4
+diff -u -r1.3 -r1.4
+--- o/sequence.d	15 Oct 2002 19:32:01 -0000	1.3
++++ o/sequence.d	10 Jun 2003 13:28:11 -0000	1.4
+@@ -123,7 +123,9 @@
+ E:
+ 	vs_push(make_fixnum(index));
+ 	/* FIXME message should indicate out of range */
+-	FEwrong_type_argument(sLpositive_fixnum,vs_head);
++	Icall_error_handler(sKwrong_type_argument,
++		     make_simple_string("The index, ~S, is too large."),
++		     1,vs_head);
+ 	return(Cnil);
+ }
+ 
+Index: h/protoize.h
+===================================================================
+RCS file: /cvsroot/gcl/gcl/h/protoize.h,v
+retrieving revision 1.26
+retrieving revision 1.27
+diff -u -r1.26 -r1.27
+--- h/protoize.h	1 Mar 2003 22:37:37 -0000	1.26
++++ h/protoize.h	10 Jun 2003 13:28:11 -0000	1.27
+@@ -1737,6 +1737,9 @@
+ object
+ cplus(object,object);
+ 
++object
++Icall_error_handler(object,object,int,...);
++
+ #if defined (__MINGW32__)
+ int bcmp ( const void *s1, const void *s2, size_t n );
+ void bcopy ( const void *s1, void *s2, size_t n );
+
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 16:33:45 +0200
+From: "Juergen Weiss" <weiss@uni-mainz.de>
+To: "Jason White" <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>, <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Output problem
+
+As I wrote already in an email to Tim Daly,
+there are some roundoff errors in log10,
+so that log10 1000 is 2.9...96 and
+in the WIDTH function in i-output.boot
+after a floor operation, the field is just
+1 too small to print 1000.
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: Jason White [mailto:jasonjgw@pacific.net.au]=20
+> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:16 AM
+> To: daly@idsi.net
+> Cc: Juergen Weiss; axiom-developer@nongnu.org; axiom@tenkan.org
+> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Output problem
+>=20
+>=20
+> Actually the bug can be triggered much more simply:
+>=20
+> (1) -> [1000]
+>=20
+>    (1)  [100]
+>                                                    Type: List=20
+> PositiveInteger
+>=20
+>=20
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:41:26 -0400
+From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+To: <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+Tim, et al.
+
+It does seem to be rather difficult to locate useful
+articles on the Internet about AXIOM. As part of the
+"revival" of AXIOM I think it might be worthwhile to
+create a sort of archive - at least as a temporary
+measure until Tim's more abitious plans for a formal
+online AXIOM journal takes off. To that end, here is my
+own list of AXIOM documents in electronic form that
+I have managed to collect over the last few years.
+
+I expect that other people on this list might have a
+similar collection?
+
+While not exactly "documentation", some of these papers
+might be interesting only from a historical perspective,
+some are about programming methodology and others are on
+specific mathematical applications.
+
+Unfortunately I no longer know most of the original
+sources of these papers, so the url's below point to
+my personal web site. I don't know the status of any
+of these papers with respect to copyright (so please
+treat them accordingly). But my intention for now is
+only to make them available to the limited audience of
+this group, so I don't think there should be a problem.
+
+-------------
+
+Next Generation Computer Algebra Systems
+AXIOM and the Scratchpad Concept:
+Applications to Research in Algebra
+Larry Lambe
+Presented to the 21 st Nordic Congress of Mathematicians,
+June, 1992, Lulea, Sweden
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-21cong.pdf
+
+
+SCRATCHPAD/1
+AN INTERACTIVE FACILITY FOR SYMBOLIC MATHEMATICS
+J.H. Griesmer*
+R.D. Jenks
+IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
+Yorktown Heights, N.Y.  10598
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-jenks1.pdf
+
+
+How to Make AXIOM Into a Scratchpad
+Richard D. Jenks Barry M. Trager
+IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
+P.O. Box 218, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 USA
+{jenks ,bmt}@watson. ibm. com
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-scratchpad.pdf
+
+
+Object Oriented Mathematical Progamming
+and Symbolic/Mumeric Interface
+Larry Lambe and Richard Luczak
+June 13, 1993
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-fem.pdf
+
+
+Object Oriented Method for Axiom.
+Jean-Louis Boulanger
+Laboratoire d'Informatique Fondamentale de Lille
+Universite de Lille 1
+59 655 Villeneuve d'ascq Cedex
+FRANCE
+Mail: boulang~lifl.fr
+November 9, 1994
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-obj.pdf
+
+
+Real Algebraic Closure of an Ordered Field,
+Implementation in Axiom *
+Renaud Rioboo
+LITP - Boite 168
+Institut Blaise Pascal
+Universtit4 Pierre et Marie Curie
+4 Place Jussieu
+F-75252 PARIS CEDEX 05
+e-mail: rrQposso.ibp,fr
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-field.pdf
+
+
+JET - An AXIOM Environment for
+Geometric Computations with Differential
+Equations
+W.M. Seiler and J. Calmet
+Institut fur Algorithmem and Kognitive Systeme
+Unersitat Karlsruhe
+76128 Karsruhe, Germany
+Email: seilerw@ira.uka.de
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-jet95.pdf
+
+
+Applying AXIOM to
+Partial Differential Equations
+W.M. Seiler
+Institut fur Algorithmem and Kognitive Systeme
+Unersitat Karlsruhe
+76128 Karsruhe, Germany
+Email: seilerw@ira.uka.de
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/Axiom-pde.pdf
+
+
+Pseudo Differential Operators and Integrable
+Systems in AXIOM
+Werner M. Seiler*
+Institut fur Algorithmem and Kognitive Systeme
+Unersitat Karlsruhe
+D-76128 Karsruhe, Germany
+Email: kg04@dkauni2.bitn.de
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-PDO.pdf
+
+
+About the Polynomial System Solve Facility of Axiom,
+Macsyma, Maple, Mathematica, MuPAD, and Reduce
+Hans-Gert Grabe
+Institut fur Informatik, Universit  at Leipzig, Germany
+February 23, 1998
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-poly.pdf
+
+
+A First Report on the An Compiler
+Stephen M. Watt Peter A. Broadbery Samuel S. Dooley
+Pietro Iglio Scott C. Morrison* Jonathan M. Steinbach
+Robert S. Sutor
+IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
+P.O. BIDX 218, Yorktown Heights, NY 10598 USA
+{smwatt ,peteb, dooley, lglio, jonms, sutor}@watson. ibm. com
+
+http://wspage.tripod.com/docs/axiom-aldor-a-sharp.pdf
+
+----------
+
+Regards,
+Bill Page.
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: 
+> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org 
+> [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu
+> .org] On Behalf Of Jason White
+> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 9:22 PM
+> To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+> Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+> 
+> 
+> Tim Daly writes:
+>> 
+>> 
+>> Both paper and electronic versions have their uses.
+>> I've been unable to Tex the user's guide that came
+>> from NAG due to missing files so it is going to take
+>> a while to reverse-engineer what is missing.
+> 
+> If you were to place the TeX sources in CVS it would at least 
+> be possible to read those. I assume the missing components 
+> are style files rather than parts of the user's guide itself.
+> 
+> Another useful document, which again you would need to seek 
+> permission to distribute, is at 
+> http://remote.science.uva.nl/~heck/tour.ps.gz
+> 
+> Furthermore, I 
+> have found an advertisement for Axiom that offers a good 
+> overview of the system: http://www.sxst.it/nag__axm.htm
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:41:26 -0400
+From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+To: <daly@idsi.net>
+Subject: RE: [Axiom-developer] Dunstan's Documentation
+
+Tim,
+
+The most recent address I have for Martin Dunstan is
+
+  mdunstan@computing.dundee.ac.uk
+
+(See his email to me below about the tutorial.)
+
+I think Martin's tutorial is useful but not particularly
+complete.
+
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Martin N Dunstan [mailto:mdunstan@computing.dundee.ac.uk] 
+Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:49 AM
+To: Bill Page
+Cc: Martin Dunstan
+Subject: Re: web server not available?
+
+Hi Bill,
+
+> I am very interested in your article
+> 
+> A Tutorial Introduction To AXIOM
+> By Martin N. Dunstan.
+>
+http://www-theory.dcs.st-and.ac.uk:80/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial/
+> axiom.html
+
+The Web site should now be available. The "proper" URL for it is now:
+
+   http://www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial/
+
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Martin N Dunstan [mailto:mdunstan@computing.dundee.ac.uk] 
+Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:18 AM
+To: Bill Page
+Cc: mnd@dcs.st-and.ac.uk
+Subject: Re: web server not available?
+
+
+Hi Bill,
+
+> A Tutorial Introduction To AXIOM
+> By Martin N. Dunstan.
+>
+http://www-theory.dcs.st-and.ac.uk:80/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial/
+> axiom.html
+
+You might be able to find this on the NAG (www.nag.co.uk) server
+although 
+I suspect that may be a link to the above page.
+
+The Web server at St Andrews has been changed and my files are still on
+the old server. I tried moving them but couldn't find enough disk space
+for them! I'll chase things up and see if I can get them restored.
+
+
+> -----Original Message-----
+> From: 
+> axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu.org 
+> [mailto:axiom-developer-bounces+bill.page1=sympatico.ca@nongnu
+> .org] On Behalf Of root
+> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 7:40 AM
+> To: daly@idsi.net
+> Cc: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de; daly@idsi.net; 
+> axiom-developer@nongnu.org; axiom@tenkan.org
+> Subject: [Axiom-developer] Dunstan's Documentation
+> 
+> 
+> Bertfried,
+> 
+> I succeeded in getting to:
+> 
+http://www-theory.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial
+
+which looks like an excellent introduction to Axiom.
+
+Does anyone on the list know Martin Dunstan? Can you give me a 
+contact address? I'd like to get permission to redistribute this
+tutorial with Axiom.
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:32:39 +0100 (BST)
+From: Martin N Dunstan <mdunstan@computing.dundee.ac.uk>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: Martin Dunstan <mdunstan@computing.dundee.ac.uk>, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: Axiom Documentation
+
+Hi Tim,
+
+> Dr Dunstan,
+
+I'd prefer "Martin" ;)
+
+> You have written quite a bit about Axiom. I have a copy of your thesis
+> work as well as a recent link to your tutorial listed at this site:
+> http://www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/documentation/axiom_tutorial. 
+> Axiom is just now becoming available and needs documentation which can
+> be distributed with the source code and executables. Both your thesis
+> and this tutorial would be very useful to future developers and users
+> of Axiom. I'd like your permission to integrate your work as part of
+> the distribution.
+
+I've already given you permission, at least for my thesis. You're welcome
+to use my Axiom tutorial as well although I must emphasise that I wrote it
+to help me learn Axiom and my lack of background algebra shows through at
+times!
+
+Feel free to lift the files for the tutorial directly off the web. I can 
+send you a tar file of the directory if that would be easier. The current 
+location of the tutorial (on www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk) is less than ideal 
+since I no longer work at St Andrews. If you wanted to put up a copy of 
+the tutorial on an Axiom web site then please do.
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:09:05 +0200
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Report on building axiom cvs 2003-06-23 (i386)
+
+Hello Tim and other Axiomers,
+
+I've tried to build (on i386) Axiom CVS as of Monday, 23rd of June,
+2003. I know that you haven't fix all the issues but and I just wanted
+to give it a small try. Here is a mini-report:
+
+ 1. the build fails when trying to build in src/input/ directory:
+
+make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/src/algebra'
+make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/src/input/Makefile.pamphlet',needed for `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/src/input/Makefile'. Stop.
+make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/src'
+make[1]: *** [srcdir] Erreur 2
+make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new'
+make: *** [all] Erreur 2
+
+
+ 2. the only error I have noticed happens when building debugsys. This
+    is due to the bad path in debugsys.lisp.pamphlet. I know that Tim
+    you don't consider it as an error, as debugsys is only need for you
+    to hack on Axiom.
+
+39 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/int/interp/debugsys.lisp from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/src/interp/debugsys.lisp.pamphlet
+7 building debugsys
+
+>
+Loading /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/int/interp/debugsys.lisp
+
+Error: Cannot open the file /home/axiomgnu/new/int/interp/sys-pkg.lisp.
+Error signalled by LOAD.
+Broken at SYSTEM::BREAK-LEVEL.  Type :H for Help.
+>>8 /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/obj/linux/bin/debugsys created
+
+
+ 3. I have also noticed five error messages (Semantic Errors) like this
+    one:
+
+0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/int/algebra/ASP34.NRLIB from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/int/algebra/ASP34.spad
+[...]
+   Semantic Errors: 
+      [1] coerce:  code is BOTH a variable and a literal
+
+
+  4. Another strange error message:
+
+0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/int/algebra/RESLATC.NRLIB from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/int/algebra/RESLATC.spad
+[...]
+      RESLATC;coerce;ES;2 is replaced by errorBug: Should not be able to obtain value of type Exit 
+
+
+  5. Yet another strange error message, in French!
+
+0 making /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/int/algebra/SPLTREE.NRLIB from /home/david/pub/axiom-libre/axiom-cvs-2003-06-23-i386/new/new/int/algebra/SPLTREE.spad
+[...]
+      SPLTREE;eq?;2$B;20 is replaced by errorin eq? from SPLTREE : la vache qui rit est-elle folle? 
+
+
+
+
+I had no time to dig further into the code. I have probably messed up
+dummy error messages from Axiom packages and real errors from the build.
+
+Tim, I can send you the whole compilation log if needed.
+
+Best regards,
+d.
+
+BTW, Tim, would you accept some small patches that try to documents the
+Makefiles, complete the FAQ, etc. ?
+
+\start
+Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 18:28:43 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: david.mentre@wanadoo.fr
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Report on building axiom cvs 2003-06-23 (i386)
+
+David,
+
+re: (1) ... no rule for Makefile.pamphlet
+
+Odd. Must have been a bad upload because it doesn't happen here. 
+I'll reload that Makefile.pamphlet file.
+
+re: (2) ... missing sys-pkg.lisp in debugsys
+
+I'm a stickler for errors. There shouldn't be error messages (nor
+warning messages if they can be helped (Axiom's current state is
+a huge embarrassment in this regard)). 
+
+So debugsys should build even if I'm the only user.
+
+re: (3) ASP34.spad
+
+There are a number of errors and warnings the algebra build, some
+of which happen even in the NAG version. However, I've resisted the
+urge to fix the algebra code until I'm done getting the rest of the
+problems fixed.
+
+re: (4) value of EXIT
+
+methinks this is a bug that is new to GCL 2.5 but I haven't started
+to pursue it yet. I'm not sure if EXIT is new to GCL or what.
+
+re: (5) SPLTREE in french
+
+je ne comprende pas. Another algebra error.
+
+re: patches.
+
+Any and all patches are welcome. This isn't supposed to be a 
+one person project but a community effort; I'm just driving
+the bus.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:07:45 +0200
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: daly@idsi.net, Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: src/input/Makefile.pamphlet (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Report on building axiom cvs 2003-06-23 (i386))
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+[ no src/input/Makefile.pamphlet ]
+> re: (1) ... no rule for Makefile.pamphlet
+>
+> Odd. Must have been a bad upload because it doesn't happen here. 
+> I'll reload that Makefile.pamphlet file.
+
+In fact, the whole src/input directory is missing in CVS.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:08:11 +1000
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+To: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+cc: daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Tim Daly <axiom@tenkan.org>
+Subject: Re: src/input/Makefile.pamphlet (was: Re: [Axiom-developer] Report on building axiom cvs 2003-06-23 (i386))
+
+David MENTRE writes:
+ > root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+ > 
+ > [ no src/input/Makefile.pamphlet ]
+ > > re: (1) ... no rule for Makefile.pamphlet
+ > >
+ > > Odd. Must have been a bad upload because it doesn't happen here. 
+ > > I'll reload that Makefile.pamphlet file.
+ > 
+ > In fact, the whole src/input directory is missing in CVS.
+
+It was added last week. Did you include the -d switch in your CVS
+update command? You need to do this in order to retrieve directories
+which have been added to the repository.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:26:56 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+Bertfried,
+
+The only name I have is Rudiger Gebauer. He apparently was the contact
+with IBM while they developed the interactive textbook based on Axiom.
+As far I my IBM contacts are aware it was never published. It would
+be useful to either open-source the technology or the whole book
+with the technology. Perhaps we can work with them to make it
+available again.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 20:34:54 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, daly@idsi.net
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+Bertfried,
+
+The only name I have is Rudiger Gebauer. He apparently was the contact
+with IBM while they developed the interactive textbook based on Axiom.
+As far I my IBM contacts are aware it was never published. It would
+be useful to either open-source the technology or the whole book
+with the technology. Perhaps we can work with them to make it
+available again.
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:22:18 -0400
+From: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+To: "'Mike Thomas'" <miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com>
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] RE: [Gcl-devel] use XDR with GCL on Windows
+
+Mike,
+
+On Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:19 PM you wrote:
+
+> ...
+> [Bill wrote] 
+> | My goal is to build Axiom to run under Windows using
+> | MinGW and GCL. Tim Daly has provided several patches to
+> | GCL 2.5.2 in order to support Axiom under linux. (See
+> | cvs at tenkan.org) This works under linux.
+> 
+> Can you be more specific about the address of that site
+> or those patches please.
+
+The site is tenkan.org, e.g.
+
+  cvs -d:pserver:billpage1@tenkan.org:/home/cvs login
+
+It is the temporary closed development site for open
+source Axiom until Tim Daly feels ready to post the Axiom
+source to the public savanaha site. To get access to the
+tenkan.org site, just send an email to
+
+   daly@idsi.net
+
+I am sure that he will be glad to hear of your interest. If
+you want, I can send you the patch files for GCL 2.5.2 and
+the axiom specific makefile.
+
+> 
+> 
+> | I am able to compile GCL 2.5.2 under minGW without the pathes. But 
+> | Axiom apparently requires XDR (and a few other changes). 
+> Apply one of 
+> | the pathes, which inserts
+> |
+> |   #define HAVE_XDR
+> |
+> | into the mingw.h causes the compiler to attempt to
+> | include the file rpc/rpc.h and related code. Unfortunately 
+> the rpc.h 
+> | that is part of MinGW does not include the XDR functionality.
+> |
+> | I got as far as downloading some rpc code that does include XDR and 
+> | *might* compile with MinGW
+> |
+> |   http://www.plt.rwth-aachen.de/ks/english/oncrpc.html
+> |
+> | (which you recommended some time back)
+> 
+> Only yesterday I wondered why you never got back about the 
+> RPC functionality.  The geologist in me decided it was one of 
+> those miraculous moments when everything goes right.
+
+Only in the movies!
+
+> 
+> | but including the oncrpc headers in the GCL o/makefile 
+> leads to some 
+> | warnings of incompatible definitions (which can be
+> | fixed) and finally to a gcc compiler message that I don't 
+> understand.
+> 
+> 
+> I commented out the definitions in "rpc/bcopy.h" to stop this problem.
+> 
+> 
+> |   gcc -c -Wall -fwritable-strings -DVOL=volatile -fsigned-char
+> | -march=i386  -I/home/axiomgnu/new/lsp/gcl-2.5.2/o  -I../h 
+> -I../gcl-tk -I
+> | /c/oncrpc funlink.c
+> | C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp/ccwtaaaa.s: Assembler messages:
+> | C:\DOCUME~1\ADMINI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp/ccwtaaaa.s:9048: Error: length of
+> | .comm "_D" is already 16; not changing to 528
+> |
+> | -------
+> |
+> | So, where should I go from here? Has anyone successfully built
+> | GCL for windows with rpc and XDR?
+> 
+> 
+> I just did this morning with the 2.5.3 source release code 
+> using the MinGW32 build of the ONCRPC library which I will
+> shortly send to you separately, and gcc 3.2.1, which is the
+> one supplied with the Windows GCL binary release.
+> All went smoothly, I'm pleased to say.
+> 
+> Make sure you copy the dll in the ONCRPC bin directory into
+> your path somewhere, the RPC header directory into your include
+> directory, and "librpclib.a" into your lib directory.
+> 
+> In addition to adding that define you mentioned above, you 
+> should also add
+> "-lrpclib" to the list of libraries for the link.
+>
+
+Ok, great. I will let you know how it goes. I can probably
+move to 2.5.3 as well for axiom.
+ 
+> 
+> | Should I start with some
+> | other source code for rpc that would be more compatible with
+> | MinGW? Is there a way to avoid the compiler error? Other ideas?
+> 
+> 
+> My guess is not until you see whether the system works.  I 
+> don't know much about XDR, so I can't really help much in
+> respect of the details.
+> 
+> Would it help if I incorporate the XDR functionality into the
+> current Windows binary download?  I suppose that those patches
+> from Tim Daly will then not be available.
+
+Yes, perhaps, but you are right that some of the other patches
+might also be needed. As I recall, the difference between 2.5.2
+and 2.5.3 was at least one of the patches that originated with
+Tim and Dave Mentre David [david.mentre@wanadoo.fr]. The primary
+one for Axiom is the one for the old in-package behaviour. I will
+see if I can determine which others (if any) are also required.
+
+What is the status of the ONC rpc source code? Their website
+seemed quite open to re-use. Would it be possible/desirable
+to include these rpc sources with GCL?
+
+> 
+> Cheers
+> 
+> Mike Thomas.
+> 
+> 
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:02:31 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, "'Mike Thomas'" <miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com>
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer]  use XDR with GCL on Windows, Makefile.windows, NAG libraries
+
+Bill, Mike,
+
+Clearly I'm jumping into the middle of this conversation but here's
+a thought or two. 
+
+First, Mike, the tenkan.org site will allow you to login using an
+anonymous account so you can download the CVS code if you like.
+Type:
+
+cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@tenkan.org:/home/cvs login
+
+and give it a null password and you should be able to download axiom:
+
+cvs -z3 -co axiom
+
+Second, Bill, we ought to have some discussion of a way to incorporate
+the windows version into the system. If you can summarize the changes
+I can write a chunk in the Makefile.pamphlet that should build the
+system from scratch for windows. If done properly then all Mike or
+any other windows user should have to do is:
+
+export AXIOM=(path)/mnt/windows
+
+and it should build a working windows version. Or maybe
+
+export AXIOM=(path)/mnt/mingw
+
+if we want to have several different windows build environments.  All
+this amounts to will be a different chunk based on the basename of the
+specified path.  Clearly I'm going to need your help on this. Perhaps
+if you send me your makefile and some words about the needed changes
+we can make this automatic. If you look at the top level Makefile.pamphlet
+and search for \subsection{Makefile.linux} you'll see the chunk used
+for AXIOM=(path)/mnt/linux. This section is extracted into a file called
+Makefile.linux (search for \subsection{The Top Level Makefile}). The
+user process is:
+
+document Makefile   extracts the Makefile from Makefile.pamphlet
+make                uses ${SYS} in the line: notangle -RMakefile.${SYS}
+                    to create Makefile.linux and invoke make on it.
+
+If you change the ${SYS} variable to "windows" the make step
+above will try to find the chunk <<Makefile.windows>>= and extract
+it to create Makefile.windows, then call make on it. 
+
+So if you 
+(1) copy the <<Makefile.linux>>= chunk, rename it to <<Makefile.windows>>=,
+(2) put all of your Makefile dependent variables and stanzas there, 
+(4) change ${SYS} to be SYS=windows
+(5) document Makefile
+(6) make
+you'll have a windows-specific Makefile.windows that gets executed.
+
+XDR is a data exchange format used to communicate between Axiom's
+lisp code and NAG's fortran library. The NAG library used to be
+an integral part of Axiom but needs to be either (a) tested by
+somebody that actually has a NAG fortran library (which I don't)
+or (b) redone using something like Octave (pain, pain, pain) or
+(c) thrown out (significant functionality loss, not recommended).
+
+GCL 2.5.3 is out? Cheese, ya can't blink for a second without
+something changing :-) I'll look at the build issues on 2.5.3
+soon. I believe I've solved the package issue so the patches
+should go away.
+
+I'm giving two talks (Axiom, Literate Programming) at a conference 
+in early July so I'm kinda heads-down writing the slides and papers.
+Needless to say, this is gonna cause a bit of lag in my responses.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:27:38 +1000
+From: "Mike Thomas" <miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com>
+To: "Bill Page" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] ONCRPC binaries for MinGW32 - where to put it.
+
+Hi again Bill.
+
+CC MinGW32 list as this is a library (Sun's RPC) which may be of use to
+other MinGW32 application developers.
+
+| What is the status of the ONC rpc source code? Their website
+| seemed quite open to re-use. Would it be possible/desirable
+| to include these rpc sources with GCL?
+
+The Sun copyright notice which applies to ONCRPC says "unrestricted use"
+(with limits, see below.)
+
+That said, the last thing the GNU Common Lisp developers need is
+responsibility for the Windows port of RPC (ONCRPC) for two reasons:
+
+1. Our people power is already stretched to the limit.
+
+2. I think that the library should be independent from GCL (or any other
+application).  The current source distribution site:
+
+  http://www.plt.rwth-aachen.de/ks/english/oncrpc.html
+
+is of course, nothing but a distribution site as noone maintains the code
+and that is unlikely to change.
+
+Until someone with the time and knowledge offers to do that, I think it
+might be better just to distribute the MinGW32 binaries from one of the the
+MinGW32 library sites eg http://mingwrep.sourceforge.net, or
+http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/projects/gnu-win32/software/ported/index.html.
+
+My main concern is that the package might branch into incompatible streams
+as happened with windows ports of libintl (?) and related libraries - a
+problem discussed on the MinGW32 list within the past year.
+
+
+=================== ONCRPC Copyright notice ===========================
+ * Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is provided for
+ * unrestricted use provided that this legend is included on all tape
+ * media and as a part of the software program in whole or part.  Users
+ * may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized
+ * to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or
+ * program developed by the user.
+ *
+ * SUN RPC IS PROVIDED AS IS WITH NO WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND INCLUDING THE
+ * WARRANTIES OF DESIGN, MERCHANTIBILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
+ * PURPOSE, OR ARISING FROM A COURSE OF DEALING, USAGE OR TRADE PRACTICE.
+ *
+ * Sun RPC is provided with no support and without any obligation on the
+ * part of Sun Microsystems, Inc. to assist in its use, correction,
+ * modification or enhancement.
+ *
+ * SUN MICROSYSTEMS, INC. SHALL HAVE NO LIABILITY WITH RESPECT TO THE
+ * INFRINGEMENT OF COPYRIGHTS, TRADE SECRETS OR ANY PATENTS BY SUN RPC
+ * OR ANY PART THEREOF.
+ *
+ * In no event will Sun Microsystems, Inc. be liable for any lost revenue
+ * or profits or other special, indirect and consequential damages, even if
+ * Sun has been advised of the possibility of such damages.
+ *
+ * Sun Microsystems, Inc.
+ * 2550 Garcia Avenue
+ * Mountain View, California  94043
+
+\start
+Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:45:16 -0700 (PDT)
+From: C Y <smustudent1@yahoo.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, 'Mike Thomas' <miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com>
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] NAG libraries
+
+--- root <daly@idsi.net> wrote:
+
+> XDR is a data exchange format used to communicate between Axiom's
+> lisp code and NAG's fortran library. The NAG library used to be
+> an integral part of Axiom but needs to be either (a) tested by
+> somebody that actually has a NAG fortran library (which I don't)
+> or (b) redone using something like Octave (pain, pain, pain) or
+> (c) thrown out (significant functionality loss, not recommended).
+
+I assume some variation of b) will be needed eventually, in the spirit
+of openness if nothing else.  I don't know what the best way to go is
+by any means, or what licensing restrictions are acceptable, but the
+GNU Scientific Library folks seem to have a good list here: 
+http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/info/gsl/gsl-design_1.html#SEC1
+
+As a NAG replacement the most logical one seems to be slatec, to the
+newbie eye at least - I suppose fortran might not help if all the calls
+have to be redone to conform to a non-NAG interface anyway.
+
+slatec (fortran) http://www.netlib.org/slatec/  I think this is public
+domain.
+
+#	SLATEC Common Mathematical Library, Version 4.1, July 1993
+#	a comprehensive software library containing over
+#	1400 general purpose mathematical and statistical routines
+#	written in Fortran 77.
+
+In fortran there is also:
+
+NSWC Mathematics Subroutine Library (fortran)
+
+The NSWC Mathematics Subroutine Library is a collection of Fortran 77
+routines specializing in numerical mathematics. It was collected and
+developed by the:
+
+   Computing Systems and Networks Division 
+   Strategic and Space Systems Department
+   U.S. Naval Surface Warfare Center
+   Dahlgren Division, Dahlgren Virginia 22448-5000
+
+Documentation for this one is apparently poor.
+
+CERNLIB is largely fortran and GPLed, IIRC, but the site seems to
+indicate they use NAG for some parts of the system so it probably
+doesn't duplicate enough NAG functionality to be useful.
+
+Anyway, just thought I'd throw those out.  'course, all you old salts
+probably knew all about all those already ;-).
+
+CY
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:11:16 +0100
+From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AXIOM server number is undefined
+
+Hi Tim,
+
+On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 07:07:30AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+<snip> 
+> The "using local database" messages are due to the fact
+> that I've moved where the databases are loaded from.
+> By default they used to be loaded from the mnt/algebra
+> subdirectory (since there was no other). Nag changed it
+> so they were loaded from a "share" subdirectory. I'm in
+> the process of changing it back. This should work:
+As a matter of interest, why do you want the databases to live under
+mnt?  I realise that if you aren't using CCL, where all the libraries
+and interpreter code are shared across platforms, there is less obvious
+justification for share but it still seems nicer to only have one set of
+databases when you have multiple versions installed on a shared
+filesystem.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:20:09 +0100
+From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+To: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: subscribing to axiom-developer, user	interface issues.
+
+Hi Jason,
+
+As it says, the scripts option only applies to subscripts:
+G82328 (1) -> )set output scripts no 
+G82328 (1) -> subscript(x,[1])    
+
+   (4)  x
+         1
+                                                                 Type:
+Symbol
+G82328 (2) -> )set out scripts yes
+G82328 (2) -> subscript(x,[1])    
+
+   (5)  x[1]
+
+There are several linear output formats that might suit you better
+including TeX, script (an old IBM typsetting language) and Fortran.
+For example:
+G82328 (7) -> )set output tex on
+G82328 (7) -> )set output algebra off
+G82328 (7) -> subscript(x,[1])       
+
+$$
+x[1] 
+\leqno(7)
+$$
+
+
+Mike.
+
+On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 04:00:02PM +1000, Jason White wrote:
+> A low-priority question:
+> 
+> To make Axiom output easily readable via synthetic speech or on my braille
+> display I need it in a linear format. Partial success can be achieved
+> as follows (see the last several lines for the problem):
+> 
+> (1) -> 1/3
+> 
+>         1
+>    (1)  -
+>         3
+>                                                        Type: Fraction Integer
+> (2) -> )set output fraction
+> --------------------------- The fraction Option ---------------------------
+> 
+>  Description: how fractions are formatted
+> 
+>  The fraction option may be followed by any one of the following:
+> 
+>  -> vertical 
+>     horizontal
+> 
+>  The current setting is indicated within the list.
+> 
+> (2) -> )set output fraction horizontal
+> (2) -> %
+> 
+>    (2)  1/3
+>                                                        Type: Fraction Integer
+> (3) -> a*x**3+b*x**2+c*x+d=0
+> 
+>            3      2
+>    (3)  a x  + b x  + c x + d= 0
+>                                             Type: Equation Polynomial Integer
+> (4) -> )set output scripts
+> --------------------------- The scripts Option ----------------------------
+> 
+>  Description: show subscripts,... linearly
+> 
+>  The scripts option may be followed by any one of the following:
+> 
+>     yes
+>     no
+> 
+>  The current setting is indicated within the list.
+> 
+> (4) -> )set output scripts yes
+> (4) -> %
+> 
+>            3      2
+>    (4)  a x  + b x  + c x + d= 0
+>                                             Type: Equation Polynomial Integer
+> (5) ->
+> 
+> Either the scripts option isn't working or I have misunderstood what
+> it is meant to do. That no "current setting" is highlighted in the
+> help text suggests this might be a bug.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:22:20 +0100
+From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Output problem
+
+This works fine in the last NAG version of Axiom, built using CCL.
+Mike.
+
+On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:33:34AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+> Juergen,
+> 
+> 
+> > there is a problem with the generation of output
+> > (1) -> [ i**3 for i  in 1..10]
+> > 
+> >    (1)  [1,8,27,64,125,216,343,512,729,100]
+> >                                                    Type: List PositiveInteger
+> > 
+> > If you trace |processInteractive| you can really see, that
+> > it's an output problem.
+> > 
+> > I ran the test with the Linux distribution of axiom and the
+> > Linux libraries on FreeBSD. So I think, it's an akcl, not
+> > a FreeBSD problem. The bad output does not happen on
+> > cmu cl. Probably a rounding problem (the output of 1001
+> > is correct)
+> 
+> Nobody really needs numbers larger than 3 digits :-)
+> 
+> Curiously, if you do the loop [ i**3 for i  in 1..12] all of the
+> other answers are right. 
+> 
+> The major difference between the CVS version of Axiom and the
+> hand-built distribution is the algebra files. The hand-built
+> version of the algebra is compiled using NAG's version of Axiom.
+> The CVS version is built from the CVS sources. Both give the
+> same wrong answer so it may be that the bug is in the output
+> routine in the algebra code. 
+> 
+> Good catch. I'll put it on the known bugs list.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:32:30 +0100
+From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+I believe that the textbook was an interactive version of Bill Jacob's
+"Linear Functions and Matrix Theory" book, and it certainly wasn't ever
+published.  You would need a lot of code (including the stuff from
+TechExplorer that IBM wouldn't let us distribute) to maike it work.  I
+saw it demo'd a few times and while a bit flaky (these were early
+versions) it was pretty nice.  
+
+Mike.
+
+On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+> Bertfried,
+> 
+> The only name I have is Rudiger Gebauer. He apparently was the contact
+> with IBM while they developed the interactive textbook based on Axiom.
+> As far I my IBM contacts are aware it was never published. It would
+> be useful to either open-source the technology or the whole book
+> with the technology. Perhaps we can work with them to make it
+> available again.
+
+\start
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 19:53:47 +1000
+To: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: subscribing to axiom-developer, user	interface issues.
+
+Mike,
+Mike Dewar writes:
+ > Hi Jason,
+ > 
+ > As it says, the scripts option only applies to subscripts:
+
+Thanks. I must have misinterpreted the elipsis in the help text
+("subscripts,...").
+
+TeX output works quite well.
+
+Also, thank you for making Axiom available as free/open-source software.
+
+While on the subject of output formats, as a longer-term goal, MathML
+would probably be a useful addition.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:18:33 +0100
+From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+To: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: subscribing to axiom-developer, user	interface issues.
+
+On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 07:53:47PM +1000, Jason White wrote:
+> While on the subject of output formats, as a longer-term goal, MathML
+> would probably be a useful addition.
+I agree.  Actually we started including OpenMath (which in a way is a
+superset of MathML) and were planning to include MathML once it
+stabilised.
+
+G82328 (2) -> OMwrite sin(x)
+
+   (2)
+  "<OMOBJ>
+  <OMA>
+    <OMS cd="transc1" name="sin"/>
+    <OMV name="x"/>
+  </OMA>
+</OMOBJ>
+"
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:06:53 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: miked@nag.co.uk
+cc: axiom@tenkan.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Output problem
+
+> This works fine in the last NAG version of Axiom, built using CCL.
+> Mike.
+> 
+> On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:33:34AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+> > Juergen,
+> > 
+> > 
+> > > there is a problem with the generation of output
+> > > (1) -> [ i**3 for i  in 1..10]
+> > > 
+> > >    (1)  [1,8,27,64,125,216,343,512,729,100]
+> > >                                                    Type: List PositiveInteger
+
+Yes, the problem seems to be in the underlying lisp. However, I'm in
+the process of re-rebuilding the algebra from the original sources
+(the LODE category doesn't seem to build) in order to ensure that I
+haven't introduced a typo that is causing the problem.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:04:40 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: miked@nag.co.uk
+cc: texmacs-dev@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org, daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, bill.page1@sympatico.ca
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AXIOM server number is undefined
+
+> > The "using local database" messages are due to the fact
+> > that I've moved where the databases are loaded from.
+> > By default they used to be loaded from the mnt/algebra
+> > subdirectory (since there was no other). Nag changed it
+> > so they were loaded from a "share" subdirectory. I'm in
+> > the process of changing it back. This should work:
+> As a matter of interest, why do you want the databases to live under
+> mnt?  I realise that if you aren't using CCL, where all the libraries
+> and interpreter code are shared across platforms, there is less obvious
+> justification for share but it still seems nicer to only have one set of
+> databases when you have multiple versions installed on a shared
+> filesystem.
+
+The problem with share is that the databases might not be common.
+In the IBM days I found that some algebra files, for instance, would
+not build on some common lisps so the makefiles would exclude the
+data from the databases. Database build is a dynamic step that happens
+after the algebra build and was "system dependent, ship system" so it
+ends up in mnt. There are "system independent, ship system" files but
+they also ended up in mnt due to the "ship system" nature. I suppose
+there could be a share subdirectory for this category I just haven't
+given it any design thought. Basically I'm just following the old ruts.
+
+The other problem with share, which is historically uninteresting at
+this point, is that mnt was NFS mounted from multiple systems. Once
+the build completes all that is left on the target system is mnt so
+share would have to be a subdirectory of mnt. I don't expect to use
+NFS any time soon so it's a "don't care" issue. Again, it's because
+I'm following ruts in the road rather than some deep design.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 06:37:15 -0400
+From: Earnie Boyd <earnie_boyd@yahoo.com>
+To: Mike Thomas <miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com>
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net
+Subject: [Axiom-developer]  Re: [Mingw-users] ONCRPC binaries for MinGW32 - where to put it.
+
+Mike Thomas wrote:
+> 
+> Until someone with the time and knowledge offers to do that, I think it
+> might be better just to distribute the MinGW32 binaries from one of the the
+> MinGW32 library sites eg http://mingwrep.sourceforge.net, or
+> http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/projects/gnu-win32/software/ported/index.html.
+> 
+
+Why, why hot just ask MinGW to host the packages?
+
+> My main concern is that the package might branch into incompatible streams
+> as happened with windows ports of libintl (?) and related libraries - a
+> problem discussed on the MinGW32 list within the past year.
+> 
+
+A problem that could have been avoided if we all work together.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 07:24:11 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: miked@nag.co.uk
+cc: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+> I believe that the textbook was an interactive version of Bill Jacob's
+> "Linear Functions and Matrix Theory" book, and it certainly wasn't ever
+> published.  You would need a lot of code (including the stuff from
+> TechExplorer that IBM wouldn't let us distribute) to maike it work.  I
+> saw it demo'd a few times and while a bit flaky (these were early
+> versions) it was pretty nice.  
+> 
+> Mike.
+> 
+> On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+> > Bertfried,
+> > 
+> > The only name I have is Rudiger Gebauer. He apparently was the contact
+> > with IBM while they developed the interactive textbook based on Axiom.
+> > As far I my IBM contacts are aware it was never published. It would
+> > be useful to either open-source the technology or the whole book
+> > with the technology. Perhaps we can work with them to make it
+> > available again.
+
+I'm trying to think thru the issue involved in making Axiom open source.
+The key issue, at least in my mind, is to try to communicate from the
+designers (of algebra, of boot code, of system facilities, etc) in this
+generation to the users/maintainers/developers of the next generation.
+IBM and NAG had the luxury of devoting people to the system over many
+years so we tended not to write things down or require extensive docs
+on the algebra code. As the complexity rises it gets harder to extend.
+
+On the user documentation issue I've been scratching at ideas for how
+to bring the pamphlet file structure to the "next level". Ideally you
+could download a pamphlet file, "drag and drop" it onto a running Axiom,
+automatically fetch any algebra pamphlets (recursively) from the references
+section and have all of the parts updated (e.g. the databases, the docs).
+
+Along the way to this idea comes the struggle with user-level documentation.
+I'd like to see new algebra added (say as an additional chapter) to an
+Axiom textbook automatically. That way the user could find examples and
+explanations in "the textbook".
+
+Well, I know that IBM did a lot of work on the textbook subject and
+(a) I'd hate to see it die, (b) I'd hope to steal, ummm, build upon
+the work already done, (c) see how much of the ideas and machinery
+can be reused, and (d) lead the way to a more dynamic form of
+publishing the docs (which perhaps we could convince Springer was
+worthwhile to use as an electronic form of books).
+
+If I can get the machinery in place then the whole level of Axiom goes
+up a step and it is easier (and harder) to extend, maintain, and change.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:06:29 +0100
+From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, texmacs-dev@gnu.org, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AXIOM server number is undefined
+
+Tim,
+
+I think you're confusing what makes sense in a development environment
+with what makes sense for a product.  When Axiom was still a product we
+had a lot of sites (mainly Universities) maintaining multiple versions
+of the product on a shared fileserver.  Its much easier to maintain a
+system if multiple copies of files are eliminated.
+
+These days of course disk space isn't an issue and if you're planning to
+deliver the system via CVS its much less likely that people will have
+multiple, compatible systems. Its not a big deal really.
+
+Cheers, Mike.
+
+On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 07:04:40AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+> > > The "using local database" messages are due to the fact
+> > > that I've moved where the databases are loaded from.
+> > > By default they used to be loaded from the mnt/algebra
+> > > subdirectory (since there was no other). Nag changed it
+> > > so they were loaded from a "share" subdirectory. I'm in
+> > > the process of changing it back. This should work:
+> > As a matter of interest, why do you want the databases to live under
+> > mnt?  I realise that if you aren't using CCL, where all the libraries
+> > and interpreter code are shared across platforms, there is less obvious
+> > justification for share but it still seems nicer to only have one set of
+> > databases when you have multiple versions installed on a shared
+> > filesystem.
+> 
+> The problem with share is that the databases might not be common.
+> In the IBM days I found that some algebra files, for instance, would
+> not build on some common lisps so the makefiles would exclude the
+> data from the databases. Database build is a dynamic step that happens
+> after the algebra build and was "system dependent, ship system" so it
+> ends up in mnt. There are "system independent, ship system" files but
+> they also ended up in mnt due to the "ship system" nature. I suppose
+> there could be a share subdirectory for this category I just haven't
+> given it any design thought. Basically I'm just following the old ruts.
+> 
+> The other problem with share, which is historically uninteresting at
+> this point, is that mnt was NFS mounted from multiple systems. Once
+> the build completes all that is left on the target system is mnt so
+> share would have to be a subdirectory of mnt. I don't expect to use
+> NFS any time soon so it's a "don't care" issue. Again, it's because
+> I'm following ruts in the road rather than some deep design.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:16:50 +0100
+From: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+To: root <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: Bertfried.Fauser@uni-konstanz.de, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Documentation
+
+I suspect that one of the reasons why Springer didn't pursue the project
+was that the machinery was too specific to generalise easily to other
+books.  There is an economic problem in that the normal "production cost"
+of a textbook is low - if you assume that its based on existing academic
+lecture notes - and so the break-even point is low.  This is
+particularly important in Europe where we have very little in the way of
+a common University syllabus for mathematics and so the target audience
+for a textbook may be quite small.  Adding interactivity pushes the
+price up very substantially.
+
+That being said, for a number of years I've been working with Arjeh
+Cohen and his group at Eindhoven who have an interactive textbook,
+published by Springer, called "Algebra Interactive!" which is "powered"
+by a mixture of Java applets and GAP for heavy algebra.  Its about to go
+into its second edition and the communication with the "algebra engine"
+will be based on OpenMath, so in theory you ought to be able to plug
+other engines in.  I'm sure that they'd be interested in looking at
+using OpenAxiom once its reasonably stable, and they might well have
+some technology you'd like to adopt.
+
+I'm also aware of some commercial activities in this area but I'm not
+sure whether they are public knowledge or not.  In any case its a field
+which attracts plenty of interest and I'm sure that a free Axiom would
+appeal to authors and publishers alike.
+
+Cheers, Mike.
+
+On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 07:24:11AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+> > I believe that the textbook was an interactive version of Bill Jacob's
+> > "Linear Functions and Matrix Theory" book, and it certainly wasn't ever
+> > published.  You would need a lot of code (including the stuff from
+> > TechExplorer that IBM wouldn't let us distribute) to maike it work.  I
+> > saw it demo'd a few times and while a bit flaky (these were early
+> > versions) it was pretty nice.  
+> > 
+> > Mike.
+> > 
+> > On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 08:26:56PM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+> > > Bertfried,
+> > > 
+> > > The only name I have is Rudiger Gebauer. He apparently was the contact
+> > > with IBM while they developed the interactive textbook based on Axiom.
+> > > As far I my IBM contacts are aware it was never published. It would
+> > > be useful to either open-source the technology or the whole book
+> > > with the technology. Perhaps we can work with them to make it
+> > > available again.
+> 
+> I'm trying to think thru the issue involved in making Axiom open source.
+> The key issue, at least in my mind, is to try to communicate from the
+> designers (of algebra, of boot code, of system facilities, etc) in this
+> generation to the users/maintainers/developers of the next generation.
+> IBM and NAG had the luxury of devoting people to the system over many
+> years so we tended not to write things down or require extensive docs
+> on the algebra code. As the complexity rises it gets harder to extend.
+> 
+> On the user documentation issue I've been scratching at ideas for how
+> to bring the pamphlet file structure to the "next level". Ideally you
+> could download a pamphlet file, "drag and drop" it onto a running Axiom,
+> automatically fetch any algebra pamphlets (recursively) from the references
+> section and have all of the parts updated (e.g. the databases, the docs).
+> 
+> Along the way to this idea comes the struggle with user-level documentation.
+> I'd like to see new algebra added (say as an additional chapter) to an
+> Axiom textbook automatically. That way the user could find examples and
+> explanations in "the textbook".
+> 
+> Well, I know that IBM did a lot of work on the textbook subject and
+> (a) I'd hate to see it die, (b) I'd hope to steal, ummm, build upon
+> the work already done, (c) see how much of the ideas and machinery
+> can be reused, and (d) lead the way to a more dynamic form of
+> publishing the docs (which perhaps we could convince Springer was
+> worthwhile to use as an electronic form of books).
+> 
+> If I can get the machinery in place then the whole level of Axiom goes
+> up a step and it is easier (and harder) to extend, maintain, and change.
+
+\start
+Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:48:33 +0200
+From: David MENTRE <david.mentre@wanadoo.fr>
+To: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: src/input/Makefile.pamphlet
+
+Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au> writes:
+
+>  > In fact, the whole src/input directory is missing in CVS.
+>
+> It was added last week. Did you include the -d switch in your CVS
+> update command? You need to do this in order to retrieve directories
+> which have been added to the repository.
+
+Yes, you are right. I forgot this switch. Thanks.
+
+I think the right command is 'cvs update -Cd'.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:45:40 +1000
+From: "Mike Thomas" <miketh@brisbane.paradigmgeo.com>
+To: "MinGW Users" <mingw-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer]  RE: [Gcl-devel]  Re: [Mingw-users] ONCRPC binaries for MinGW32 - where to put it.
+
+Hi Earnie.
+
+| > MinGW32 library sites eg http://mingwrep.sourceforge.net, or
+| >
+| http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/projects/gnu-win32/software/ported/index.html.
+| >
+|
+| Why, why hot just ask MinGW to host the packages?
+
+True.  I assumed that the MinGW team was not interested in hosting third
+party libraries, given the specialised nature of MinGW32 as a Windows
+compiler rather than as a Unix emulation system or all-round library
+collection.
+
+| > My main concern is that the package might branch into
+| incompatible streams
+| > as happened with windows ports of libintl (?) and related libraries - a
+| > problem discussed on the MinGW32 list within the past year.
+| >
+|
+| A problem that could have been avoided if we all work together.
+
+I agree entirely.  What should I do to pass this bundle on to you guys?  My
+memory is that I just built the package by modifying the makefiles, so the
+source/build directory structure is just as it came from the original home.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:28:39 +1000
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+To: Mike Dewar <miked@nag.co.uk>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: subscribing to axiom-developer, user	interface issues.
+
+Mike Dewar writes:
+ > On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 07:53:47PM +1000, Jason White wrote:
+ > > While on the subject of output formats, as a longer-term goal, MathML
+ > > would probably be a useful addition.
+ > I agree.  Actually we started including OpenMath (which in a way is a
+ > superset of MathML) and were planning to include MathML once it
+ > stabilised.
+ > 
+ > G82328 (2) -> OMwrite sin(x)
+
+Interesting. Upon issuing this command under Tim's test release I get:
+
+(1) -> OMwrite sin(x)
+ 
+   >> System error:
+   OM-STRINGTOSTRINGPTR is invalid as a function.
+
+protected-symbol-warn called with (NIL)
+
+Another item for the bug list?
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:17:08 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: jasonjgw@pacific.net.au
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org, miked@nag.co.uk
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] OMwrite sin(x)
+
+Yep, another bug. sigh.
+
+\start
+Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:28:34 +0200 (CEST)
+From: Joris van der Hoeven <TeXmacs@math.u-psud.fr>
+To: <texmacs-dev@gnu.org>
+cc: daly@rio.sci.ccny.cuny.edu, root <daly@idsi.net>, bill.page1@sympatico.ca, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, axiom@tenkan.org
+Subject: Re: [Texmacs-dev] Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: AXIOM server number is undefined
+
+Hi,
+
+Please be careful with the mailing lists you put into your CC;
+I am not sure that the TeXmacs developers are interested by
+internal discussions about Axiom...
+
+Best wishes, Joris
+
+
+> Hi Tim,
+>
+> On Thu, Jun 19, 2003 at 07:07:30AM -0400, Tim Daly wrote:
+> <snip>
+> > The "using local database" messages are due to the fact
+> > that I've moved where the databases are loaded from.
+> > By default they used to be loaded from the mnt/algebra
+> > subdirectory (since there was no other). Nag changed it
+> > so they were loaded from a "share" subdirectory. I'm in
+> > the process of changing it back. This should work:
+> As a matter of interest, why do you want the databases to live under
+> mnt?  I realise that if you aren't using CCL, where all the libraries
+> and interpreter code are shared across platforms, there is less obvious
+> justification for share but it still seems nicer to only have one set of
+> databases when you have multiple versions installed on a shared
+> filesystem.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:04:06 -0500
+From: James Amundson <amundson@users.sourceforge.net>
+To: C Y <smustudent1@yahoo.com>
+cc: gcl-devel <gcl-devel@gnu.org>, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] NAG libraries
+
+On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 00:45, C Y wrote:
+> I don't know what the best way to go is
+> by any means, or what licensing restrictions are acceptable, but the
+> GNU Scientific Library folks seem to have a good list here: 
+> http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/info/gsl/gsl-design_1.html#SEC1
+> 
+> As a NAG replacement the most logical one seems to be slatec, to the
+> newbie eye at least - I suppose fortran might not help if all the calls
+> have to be redone to conform to a non-NAG interface anyway.
+
+Why don't you think GSL would be the logical choice? Because it is C
+instead of Fortran? That shouldn't matter much.
+
+
+> CERNLIB is largely fortran and GPLed, IIRC, but the site seems to
+> indicate they use NAG for some parts of the system so it probably
+> doesn't duplicate enough NAG functionality to be useful.
+
+Actually, the folks at CERN are considering switching from NAG to GSL. I
+don't know if a decision has been made.
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 11:02:05 +1000
+From: Jason White <jasonjgw@pacific.net.au>
+To: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] GNU Scientific Library
+
+The main site is at http://www.gnu.org/software/gsl/
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 21:09:03 -0400
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: "'bill.page1@sympatico.ca'" <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+cc: "'axiom-developer@nongnu.org'" <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] mainVariable(x)$QF
+
+Tim,
+
+I have been spending some time looking at the stack
+overflow problem. Perhaps this is something that you
+already know but I found that at least one case of
+this kind of stack overflow occurs when compiling
+category FunctionSpace (fspace.spad.pamphlet).
+Specifically, near the end of this file in the context
+of
+
+...
+  if R has IntegralDomain then
+
+    mainKernel x    == mainVariable(x)$QF
+...
+
+The problem apparently arises in when trying to compile
+the mainKernel function. If (for the sake of debugging)
+you comment those function definitions that involve QF,
+then the compilation of category FunctionSpace proceeds.
+
+I have not yet inserted all of the necessary algebra
+into the algebra/Makefile.pamphlet, but I will let you
+know later this weekend if this approach will allow me
+to get any further.
+
+I hope this helps.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:55:20 -0400
+From: "Page, Bill" <Bill.Page@drdc-rddc.gc.ca>
+To: "'daly@idsi.net'" <daly@idsi.net>
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] mainVariable(x)$QF
+
+Tim,
+
+I have been spending some time looking at the stack
+overflow problem. Perhaps this is something that you
+already know but I found that at least one case of
+this kind of stack overflow occurs when compiling
+category FunctionSpace (fspace.spad.pamphlet).
+Specifically, near the end of this file in the context
+of
+
+...
+  if R has IntegralDomain then
+
+    mainKernel x    == mainVariable(x)$QF
+...
+
+The problem apparently arises in when trying to compile
+the mainKernel function. If (for the sake of debugging)
+you comment those function definitions that involve QF,
+then the compilation of category FunctionSpace proceeds.
+
+I have not yet inserted all of the necessary algebra
+into the algebra/Makefile.pamphlet, but I will let you
+know later this weekend if this approach will allow me
+to get any further.
+
+I hope this helps.
+
+\start
+Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 20:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
+From: C Y <smustudent1@yahoo.com>
+To: James Amundson <amundson@users.sourceforge.net>
+cc: gcl-devel <gcl-devel@gnu.org>, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org, Bill Page <bill.page1@sympatico.ca>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Gcl-devel] NAG libraries
+
+--- James Amundson <amundson@users.sourceforge.net> wrote:
+> > As a NAG replacement the most logical one seems to be slatec, to
+> > the newbie eye at least - I suppose fortran might not help if all 
+> > the calls have to be redone to conform to a non-NAG interface 
+> > anyway.
+> 
+> Why don't you think GSL would be the logical choice? Because it is C
+> instead of Fortran? That shouldn't matter much.
+
+If switching to C from Fortran isn't a problem as far as restructuring
+axiom is concerned, then I agree GSL is definitely the logical choice. 
+My working assumption was that NAG Fortran calls -> SLATEC Fortran
+calls would be an easier mapping than NAG Fortran calls -> GSL C calls,
+but if that's not true than GSL is of course a much more logical choice
+- maintained and modernized.
+ 
+> > CERNLIB is largely fortran and GPLed, IIRC, but the site seems to
+> > indicate they use NAG for some parts of the system so it probably
+> > doesn't duplicate enough NAG functionality to be useful.
+> 
+> Actually, the folks at CERN are considering switching from NAG to
+> GSL. I don't know if a decision has been made.
+
+Oh, cool.  :-)  If they do, perhaps an axiom+GSL combination could make
+use of cernlib as well.
+
+\start
+Date: 28 Jun 2003 22:00:53 -0400
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Report on building axiom cvs 2003-06-23 (i386)
+
+Greetings!
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> David,
+> 
+> re: (1) ... no rule for Makefile.pamphlet
+> 
+> Odd. Must have been a bad upload because it doesn't happen here. 
+> I'll reload that Makefile.pamphlet file.
+> 
+> re: (2) ... missing sys-pkg.lisp in debugsys
+> 
+> I'm a stickler for errors. There shouldn't be error messages (nor
+> warning messages if they can be helped (Axiom's current state is
+> a huge embarrassment in this regard)). 
+> 
+> So debugsys should build even if I'm the only user.
+> 
+> re: (3) ASP34.spad
+> 
+> There are a number of errors and warnings the algebra build, some
+> of which happen even in the NAG version. However, I've resisted the
+> urge to fix the algebra code until I'm done getting the rest of the
+> problems fixed.
+> 
+> re: (4) value of EXIT
+> 
+> methinks this is a bug that is new to GCL 2.5 but I haven't started
+> to pursue it yet. I'm not sure if EXIT is new to GCL or what.
+
+Yes, in latest GCL, quit and exit are synonyms for bye.  Hope this
+helps. 
+
+Take care,
+
+> 
+> re: (5) SPLTREE in french
+> 
+> je ne comprende pas. Another algebra error.
+> 
+> re: patches.
+> 
+> Any and all patches are welcome. This isn't supposed to be a 
+> one person project but a community effort; I'm just driving
+> the bus.
+> 
+
+\start
+Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 23:41:59 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Report on building axiom cvs 2003-06-23 (i386)
+
+Camm,
+
+re: EXIT
+
+Can you tell me where the best place would be to comment out this change?
+We define exit and use it everywhere. In theory they are in different
+packages but that's going to take a long time to prove. For the moment
+I'd just rather include another patch that undefines the term in GCL.
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 18:15:04 +0200
+From: "Juergen Weiss" <weiss@uni-mainz.de>
+To: <axiom-developer@nongnu.org>
+Subject: [Axiom-developer] Error when converting to a set
+
+The last command in coercels.input converts the result
+to a set. With gcl, the result contains duplicate=20
+elements. Problem does not occur with cmu cl.
+
+\start
+Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 12:37:16 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: weiss@uni-mainz.de
+cc: axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Error when converting to a set
+
+Juergen,
+
+Now THAT's interesting. I've built cmucl but have not yet built Axiom
+on top of it. I'm trying to prepare two talks and a Rosetta CD for 
+a conference so I'm rather lagged. 
+
+I suspect that the problems we are encountering have to do with the
+differences between the common lisps. The problem Bill Page found
+( If R has IntegralDomain ) is also related to the underlying common
+lisp as far as I can tell. It appears that SET-DIFFERENCE gives 
+different (but set-equivalent) answers. For instance, in 
+
+CCL (the NAG common lisp)
+
+(setq a '(a))
+(setq b '(a b c))
+(set-difference b a) ==> (b c)
+
+GCL
+
+(setq a '(a))
+(setq b '(a b c))
+(set-difference b a) ==> (c b)
+
+I'm not sure if Axiom depends on this but the compiler uses it to
+decide which super-domains need to be processed. In theory it shouldn't
+make any difference. In practice it means that the tree-walk will take
+branches in a different order. 
+
+I suspect the bug you've found and the bug related to the short-set
+[1000] ==> [100] are related to subtle lisp differences.
+
+Subtle differences in the common lisps are VERY hard to find since they
+occur so deep within the processing stack. Ideally Axiom should not depend
+on these differences.
+
+Good catch, though. The input files will be used for regression testing
+the results so it is important that people verify the answers given.
+
+Tim Daly
+axiom@tenkan.org
+
+(my daly@idsi.net account seems to be VERY unreliable lately. please use
+the axiom@tenkan.org id instead).
+
+\start
+Date: 29 Jun 2003 21:38:26 -0400
+From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>
+To: daly@idsi.net
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel]  Re: [Axiom-developer] Report on building axiom cvs
+	2003-06-23 (i386)
+
+Greetings!
+
+Index: main.c
+===================================================================
+RCS file: /cvsroot/gcl/gcl/o/main.c,v
+retrieving revision 1.26
+diff -u -r1.26 main.c
+--- main.c	1 Mar 2003 22:37:37 -0000	1.26
++++ main.c	30 Jun 2003 01:36:23 -0000
+@@ -627,9 +627,9 @@
+        ,0,1,NONE,OI,OO,OO,OO,(fixnum exitc),"")
+ {	return fLbye(exitc); }
+  
+-DEFUN_NEW("EXIT",object,fLexit,LISP
+-       ,0,1,NONE,OI,OO,OO,OO,(fixnum exitc),"")
+-{	return fLbye(exitc); }
++/* DEFUN_NEW("EXIT",object,fLexit,LISP */
++/*        ,0,1,NONE,OI,OO,OO,OO,(fixnum exitc),"") */
++/* {	return fLbye(exitc); } */
+  
+ 
+ /*  c_trace(void) */
+
+root <daly@idsi.net> writes:
+
+> Camm,
+> 
+> re: EXIT
+> 
+> Can you tell me where the best place would be to comment out this change?
+> We define exit and use it everywhere. In theory they are in different
+> packages but that's going to take a long time to prove. For the moment
+> I'd just rather include another patch that undefines the term in GCL.
+\start
+Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:42:38 -0400
+From: root <daly@idsi.net>
+To: camm@enhanced.com
+cc: gcl-devel@gnu.org, daly@idsi.net, axiom-developer@nongnu.org
+Subject: Re: [Gcl-devel]  Re: [Axiom-developer] Report on building axiom cvs
+	2003-06-23 (i386)
+
+re: EXIT. Thanks. -- Tim
+
+
+
diff --git a/changelog b/changelog
index 50ca999..3726d2f 100644
--- a/changelog
+++ b/changelog
@@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
+20140418 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140418.02.tpd.patch
+20140418 tpd book/2002*.txt, 2003-01..06.txt modified
 20140418 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140418.01.tpd.patch
 20140418 tpd book/ all of the axiom emails to date
 20140417 tpd src/axiom-website/patches.html 20140417.01.tpd.patch
